Can't afford to get mare scoped. :( Wwyd?

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Send the horse back to the owner. It's not so much the scoping monry or even the treatment, it's the fact that horses just aren't compatible with having no spare money 'just in case'
 
Or you could get Abrazole from Abler - there are people on here who wouldn't touch it with a barge pole because of questionable legality and doubtful about the strength but it worked for mine, was affordable and if it was a choice of that or PTS I know which one I would choose. Google it
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There is no question about the legality, it is illegal.

The strength is fine. It was tested by the US Federal Drug Agency in a bid to shut Abler down and was well within the bounds of acceptability for a drug with a wide therapeutic margin. The actual figures are on another thread somewhere.

OP, I'm with the others. You need to send the horse back for these reasons:

It's not your responsibility, it's the owners.

Ulcers often come with pain from other problems, like kissing spines, SI strain and PSD

If you really can't find the money for a scoping, you don't have enough money to keep a horse, which can spring bills like this on you at any time, sometimes month upon month.
 
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It's not really questioning legality, it is illegal.

If a horse has ulcers all the management improvements in the world are not going to make them go away and take the horse out of pain, this is for after treatment.
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Neither of those statement are true. Importing prescription drugs *for your own use* is legal. As far as I know no-one has shown that for your own animals isn't for your own use. And I have successfully treated equine gastric ulcers with complementary treatments (and yes, it was confirmed by a vet on presenting symptoms) so yes, you can cure them without omeprazole in its various and expensive forms.
There is no case to give up without trying everything you can - I myself was scoped and shown to have healed ulcers, from stress from my working days, and they healed without intervention, or without me even knowing I had had them. But in the end, take away any causes and the body can do a surprising amount for itself, despite what the drug companies will tell you.
I can understand the OPs dilemma, money is often not available no matter how much we wish it were, and you have to be pragmatic about what can and can't be done.
 
Treating an ill horse yourself is illegal, only a vet can do it. Importing a prescription only drug is illegal and omeprazole in that strength is prescription only.

It's illegal, no doubt whatsoever.
 
I can understand the OPs dilemma, money is often not available no matter how much we wish it were, and you have to be pragmatic about what can and can't be done.
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The horse is a loan horse. The OP hasn't, afaik suddenly lost her job or had a huge outlay on her house after already owning the horse. The pragmatic answer is to send it back and not replace it until she can afford surprise bills that horses routinely spring on you.
 
OP send the horse back. It's nuts that you're considering keeping a loan which has a pre-existing, expensive, and on-going problem which isn't going to be easy or cheap to fix, especially when you can't afford it.

The fact that the owner is being so unhelpful would make me less inclined to keep it and use my money to sort out their horse.
 
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Treating an ill horse yourself is illegal, only a vet can do it. Importing a prescription only drug is illegal and omeprazole in that strength is prescription only.

It's illegal, no doubt whatsoever.
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Thanks ;) it is rare I post untruths :p

You will also note that I said treatment, I did not say omeprazole is the only possible treatment though it would be the only option for me. Too many that have used alternatives or abler have not scoped before and after before declaring they work for me to be happy with the stats :p

I am actually quite appalled that the owners are happy for their horse to stay in a situation where veterinary care is going to be limited/problematic. OP what if you do treat the horse then a month later they request her back?
 
I think the horse is on loan but from memory it is still on the owners land/ yard so sending it back is simple but probably not easy, the OP has been posting about ulcers for months now asking about various treatments and nothing seems to be working if the issues are ongoing.

Again from memory this was a "problem" horse with a history of injury, difficult behaviour and an owner who has been reluctant to get a vet involved fully, I suspect ulcers are just a symptom of whatever else is going on and I think the OP was advised months ago before she took the mare on that it would be an expensive and possibly problematic horse to commit to, if she does have ulcers they need to be diagnosed and treated properly as supplements and management changes have obviously not been successful, the OP does need to either step up now and do it or hand the mare back and walk away completely.

I apologise if I have the wrong horse but really cannot be bothered to go back through the OP's numerous threads on much the same issue most of which give the same advice.
 
I too have noticed that you post a lot about your horse having ulcers..

The only way to find out is to scope. And the only way to treat is with vet medication - sorry it's not what you want to hear but it's the only way.

All these other supplements may help AFTER the horse has been treated but they are not a cure.

If your horse is on loan then I would send her back. Ulcer treatment IS expensive and you could spend a fortune then the owner could potionally take the horse back when it's cured.

Also, if you do decide to get another horse I would be a bit more careful with insurance and try to find a good policy that will pay out directly to the vet.
 
I can't believe the owners of this horse are not prepared to get the horse treatment especially if it's still on their yard I think it's disgusting I didn't know that.

even E & L will pay direct to your vet I know because I had a policy with them they were slow paying but they paid out on 2 claims on one leg including an mri, as others have said most vets are reasonable if you speak to them you can sort some sort of payment plan, but to be honest I still think it's down to the owners to sort this or at least help out with the cost of treatment I would be giving the horse back, I feel sorry for the horse and the loaner she obviously wants to try and treat the horse so I can understand her not wanting to just walk away, sad situation:(
 
As above: the best thing is to treat for ulcers, by changing the management.
However, in the long term you should consider a share rather than the full costs of a horse, if its not one thing, it can be another.
Regardless of who owns the horse , at the moment it is in your care, you are responsible for its welfare, you must must not allow it to suffer any longer.
You can ask WHW for advice, in effect, "reporting your self".
If you do the sensible thing for the horse by returning it to the owner, then you can report them if it gets no treatment. If the owner will not pay for treatment, and you will not, then you, as the keeper are responsible.
You should NOT be faffing about on a forum for months [sorry if this is not the case], while your horse is a welfare case. I can't put it more bluntly.
 
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I'm afraid that if you cannot afford it when these situations arise, then you should give the horse back to the owners.
Did you say the horse is insured though? Can I ask why you can't go through the insurers? (Sorry if I missed this bit, I skim read the thread)

I got absolutely blasted on a Facebook guinea pig page a few months ago for suggesting that people who cannot afford veterinary treatment for an animal really should re-think whether they are in the right position to own one (I said this after hearing about yet another animal suffering because its owner couldn't afford to pay for the vet), but I stand by my views. Horses, in particular, can throw some completely unexpected things in your direction, at any time.
 
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Treating an ill horse yourself is illegal, only a vet can do it. Importing a prescription only drug is illegal and omeprazole in that strength is prescription only.

It's illegal, no doubt whatsoever.
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Again, not true. You can treat your own animal but not one belonging to someone else. A loan horse might classify as one belonging to someone else though.

https://www.rcvs.org.uk/advice-and-.../treatment-of-animals-by-unqualified-persons/ S19.4 (a)

and Is It Legal on this website

http://www.themix.org.uk/drink-and-...aw/buying-prescription-drugs-online-9592.html
 
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OP I'm really sorry, but if you don't have the means to pay for vets bills then I don't think you are in a position to be caring for a horse.

So you either send the horse back or you pay for a scope and treatment if required.
 
I've just worked out who this pony is, and how long this has been going on.

IIRC you don't pay for this horse's keep as she is on the owners land and the whole situation did seem a bit complicated from the off and there was a lot of advice at the time that you were likely taking on a big vets bill but you went ahead anyway.
 
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I've just worked out who this pony is, and how long this has been going on.

IIRC you don't pay for this horse's keep as she is on the owners land and the whole situation did seem a bit complicated from the off and there was a lot of advice at the time that you were likely taking on a big vets bill but you went ahead anyway.
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It's completely ridiculous .
OP a months gastro guard will cost around £600 you can put in on your credit card .
 
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