cant believe i am gonna ask but what colour?

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sorry!!!!!

i know it gets done all the time!

but i would like to know if there are any experts on colour out there?
dad is grey highland and mum is black hanoverain x ssh

black mare x grey stallion = silver dun colt with dorsal strip, tiger stripes on hind quarters and black stripes behind the knees.

vet putting on passport silver dun which i am fine with however...

several people have seen him and asked if he will turn black as he has black goggles but i see a couple of white hairs, not a lot but def there so i wonder if he will grey out?

guess i will have to wait and see but anybody with more experience?

still cant work photbucket so here is link


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He can't be dun unless a parent has the dun gene. Any chance that dad is a greyed out dun? Esp seeing as the majority of highlands have dun there in some form or other
 
My foal was born silver grey but turned to black after eight months. The mare was chestnut and sire unknown, but there were two black entires on the farm she was at.
Vet put down on passport [six months] she was bay [at six month she was a kind of hairy fawn brown], I did not agree, so I changed it to brown or black
 
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sire must carry dun gene as i know of 1 yellow dun gelding from him, he has a 2 year old filly who is a bit lighter than my guy and 1 yearling that is about the same as my guy. stallion owner kept those ones (all out of grey mares) but have no knowledge of what other breeders received :D

does that help anyone more?
 
He looks very like my highland did as a foal, maybe a little greyer. Mine was more beige :)

About 6 months old

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He is grey dun, parents both grey and I cannot find out their base colour. I think mine would be black probably, but he has dun and grey too. His dun is gradually fading, being replaced by grey

Aged 5
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Yours doesn't really show the classic signs of grey, but that's not to say he won't be.

My best guess is that he is black + dun so you would end up with a grullo, or mouse dun. If he has grey as well, then you'll end up with a grey of course, but he might well take his time about it like mine has :) I don't believe he would turn black entirely because of the dun gene he clearly has. I may be wrong, but that's what I understand!
 
love the pics x he has lost the hair of his muzzle at the moment and he is black as coal! dont know if that means anything but he def has 1 grey hair in a whorl under his forelock :) didnt think it could be this confusing :)
 
Foal is definitely grullo/grulla (black with dun).
Highlands do carry the dun gene, so sire is something-dun under the grey :)

I would say foal is going to be grey, but at the same time wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't :p
If you don't want to wait and see, you could get him tested.
 
Agree with Eluana - he is what is known as grullo/grulla/blue dun/silver dun/black dun. Genetically a black horse with the dun gene added, which works to dilute the coat colour. I'd imagine he got the dun gene from dad. Although dad was grey, grey is not a colour, it's something that happens to a colour - so dad will have been a different colour which then greyed out. From foal, we know dad must have been dun - but black dun, bay dun, without testing, who knows.

If dad carries one grey gene, foal has a 50% chance of going grey - 100% if dad carries two copied of grey. If you can't wait to find out whether foal will go grey, you can get it tested for around £20.

Lovely foal, btw - I'd love a big horse black dun, I have five shetlands that colour, and just love it!
 
thanks varkie, i guess it isnt really important in grand scheme of things, i am just impatient!!!!! he is healthy and thats what matters :) . he is my first born lol and so sweet, (been thru awful stage) xx
 
Grullo that will go grey I think. Foals aren't usually born with dark legs unless they are grey, so I would expect this lovely chap to go grey I think.
 
sire is a highland so carried the dun gene. i would expect that he was born cream/mouse dun and greyed out. even grey highland stallions are capable of producing yellow,cream,mouse duns.

i would guess that your foal will either stay mouse dun, (very desirable and not too many about ;) ) or grey out as it gets older.

good luck with him. ;)

xx
 
whisp&willow said:
sire is a highland so carried the dun gene. i would expect that he was born cream/mouse dun and greyed out. even grey highland stallions are capable of producing yellow,cream,mouse duns.

i would guess that your foal will either stay mouse dun, (very desirable and not too many about ;) ) or grey out as it gets older.

good luck with him. ;)

xx
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thanks , he is expected to mature at 16hh so that makes him even more special :D
 
passporting restrictions are quite strict as regards what colours can be specified. They can only put 'dun' or another colour with the option to add additional colours so your foal will accurately be described as dun..but I agree may grey out.

When I had my red duns passported the vet wanted to call them chestnut, but I had them marked as dun, which they don't look like, but they are.
 
Not all passporting agencies are restrictive about 'shades' of colour. I have passported a number of shetland foals with the Shetland Studbook as 'blue duns' 'bay duns' and 'chestnut duns'.

I'll let you know what CHAPS are like later! I'm just in processing of submitting a passport to them for what I believe is a buckskin tovero - my vet knows I'm into my colours, and he asked what she was when he wrote the form, and took my word for it. We'll see what CHAPS make of it!
 
thanks guys , in the middle of scotland lol , dad is kestrel of glencree and my mare is a hanovarian x ssh (goldhills is her gransire)

not the usual mix but it was planned with very careful thought and the vets think he is awesome! (they comment on how amazing he is whenever they are out :D )

the hair is coming of face now and is black with the odd grey hair thru it, his darker bits on his face have bleached brown which would mean black ?
its all very confusing lol, cant wait till he is older as he is growing at a rate of knots! :)
 
Hiya,
Your foal looks lovely. I breed Highlands and Partbreds - I've got a lovely Yellow Dunn Highland x SSH - its a great cross.
I think yours will probably Grey out eventually but will keep the dark points, so will be a cracking looking horse.
 
aw got any pics? would love to get an idea of what my chappy going to grow into. he is jsut so different from his full bred brother and sisters. looks highland but taller and skinnier lol x
 
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