Can't believe it...A warning to you all.

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<font color="blue"> we were doing a lot of showing and the judges all said he looked great </font>

Oh dear...
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It's no secret that a lot of show judges like the horses to be a little on the 'large' side though, is it? Atleast at a few shows I've seen.
 
kitty I think that might have been for anitfaz's shipping costs only!
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can do you a smaller version for much cheaper though
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he looks just the same honest

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ps this is what he looked like the day I bought him and he went on exercise exercise and more exercise, how he hadnt got lami I have no idea.
 
Hey TGM - this thread aside don't suppose you happen to have any information on steamed hay. Mines getting steamed for a cough but I'd been told by some super helpful peeps on the forum that steaming helps reduce sugar without losing mineral value etc. I'd taken their thoughts on board and am interested in learning more.

I'm asking cause you seem to know about the whole soaking thing.

Sorry to hijack OP.

Thanks
 
I have one that struggles to maintain weight, another who is a really good doer....TBH, its harder keeping weight off than putting on.....but cheaper
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We have managed so far by trace clipping, LW no- fill rug....a mix of hay and oat straw in a small-holed haynet and a mere smidgeon of happy hoof - enough to stop her kicking the door off its hinges when the others are fed.
 
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<font color="blue"> It's no secret that a lot of show judges like the horses to be a little on the 'large' side though, is it? At least at a few shows I've seen. </font>

Which is exactly my point!

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Ahh, sorry - I'm a little bit slow
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Omg ester! That doesn't even look like Frank! Urgh...hate fat horses!
ETS; that urgh is not aimed at you or Frank its a despairing urgh for the previous owner!
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QR Oh Ester - poor Frank to have been such a porker! Have you got a picture of him now - good encouragement that it can be sorted
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Gosh you lot get worked up about silly things !
The poster thought she was being helpful warning about how easily it is for a horse to get overweight, yet according to the replies you would think she had roasted him alive.
Where did you all get so knowleagable, I'd love to know, as the majority of people using these forums appear to be DIY livery owners who from my experience come in all levels of expertise.
The horse is fat and the owner has taken some steps to overcome it, at least give her the credit for that. I suggested more excercise and a few carrots in a bucket to keep him happy, apparently it's no longer acceptable to feed them, well tough, I've never yet had a horse go ill on carrots and the amount suggested (three at most perhaps) is hardly going to contribute much to his diet compared to say haylage!
Oh for goodness sake get over yourselves, you sound so pompous...
There are dozens and dozens of ways of keeping horses, some people stuff theirs with hard feed, others with none, yet the vast majority appear to survive to old age and not looking too badly on their diets either.
The basic feed rules remain the same according to most horses, feed according to type/size/condition and work expected. Feeding something succulent is obviously now not approved of by many but you know what, it won't stop me! Or the vast numbers who buy at the Equine Fair by the sackful every year either.
remember that other feed rule FEED IN MODERATION , like everything else, we'll have to agree to disagree..

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Amen to that.
I dunno why I seemed suprised after reading the first page of replies tbh.

As it happens I use power and performance on my IDx who is prone to put on weight and act uber lazy. Its been brilliant as he doesnt put on the weight because you dont have to feed masses to get a bit more sparkle, unlike oats which I had to feed by the bucket load and he ended up as fat as a house.

Hay does put extra calories on, my KWPN puts on weight easily with just eating hay. But he has truck loads of energy so has the minimum amount of fast fibre.

Increase the work by all means but dont need to go mad. Foresure if you have a horse who increases weight easily and is competing then you might have to put in a few extra canters or circles in your flatwork but hours on walkers or ragging it around the arena/fields will only put wear and tear on your horses joints.
 
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On this thread? I don't think so, but feel free to point me to the post you mean.

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Actually PF I think there was pretty considerable mocking and insulting of Fantasma after her initial post - comments along the lines of "fantasy land", "rubbish advice" "talks bollox and gives out duff info" etc etc.

I don't personally agree with Fantasma's opinion on the matter but I can perfectly see why she got wound up after comments like that - there was no need on behalf of Sirena and "wysiwyg" to be so rude - not that that excuses Fantasma's subsequent rudeness either of course but I don't think you're being fair at all by implying that Fantasma is the only poster being offensive or name-calling, or that people who "actually know what they are talking about" don't resort to insults and mockery.

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Please show me where I name called? None of the insults in your first paragraph were from me either!
 
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At least you finally noticed that your horse was very fat Summer Star and are trying to do something about it now. I have a real bug bear about fat horses. I like mine to have a little covering but I am very keen on not allowing them to get fat. Exercise is your friend and I would be cutting out hard feed for the for see able future. That horse doesnt need any extra. I would be soaking the hay for at a minimum of 12 hours.

I dont agree with most of what Fatasma (may not be the right spelling?) has said. Overweight horses are at great risk of developing dangerous conditions so with Summer Star acting now this lessens the risks. Sirena and JM07 (I cant remember your new name beginning with w) were right in pointing out the inaccuracies with Fatasmas post although their responses could have been a bit more tactful.

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I thought I was fairly tactful up until the F person got rude tbh!

JM is not W I can assure you, this appears to be info from Fantasma - incorrect again!
 
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Sorry, Sirena, that article doesn't cover the research in as much detail as other ones I have read. Posted that link in haste as was getting ready for school run!

This one is better:

http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/news/2009/07/047.shtml

and shows that some of the samples were soaked for as long as 16 hours and that "Very few samples reached below 10 per cent of water-soluble carbohydrates despite prolonged soaking."

This is the quote about nutritional values from the first article (my capitalisation):

"The researchers also found that by soaking hay for extended periods of time, a substantial amount of OTHER nutrients, vitamins and minerals can be lost, meaning that the hay may no longer meet the nutritional requirements of the animal."

By 'other', they mean other than the sugars that the rest of the article refers to, ie the hay loses vitamins, minerals, etc., so supplementation may be necessary.

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Thanks TGM, it is indeed very interesting and food for thought. Derek Cuddeford has always maintained that soaking hay was not as effective as we first thought, others disagree. Although all seem to agree that it is beneficial to some degree.

It makes sense though that soaking hay should not be the be all and end all, I can see a rush of people getting their hay analysed (not necessarily a bad thing)
 
Actually you did say her advice was "patently rubbish" and that she had displayed her "complete and utter idiocy." Neither of those quite fall under the category of name calling, but both are insulting and rude - which was exactly my point.
 
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Actually you did say her advice was "patently rubbish" and that she had displayed her "complete and utter idiocy." Neither of those quite fall under the category of name calling, but both are insulting and rude - which was exactly my point.

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This was AFTER she had been exceedingly rude to me, why have you overlooked HER rudeness?
 
this is what he looked like in summer about same time of year as first pic carrying a bit more than I like him to but dont have many pics without me riding him!

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he is never going to be a skinny minny and always looks better in pics where he is working and actually engages some stomach muscles as this is where he carries any excess but does have quite wide ribs too!

I dont actually know how long it took to shift the majority. He had been on v light work for about 6 weeks, and had been fit and out jumping/pc etc 3 months previous so it was short term gain. We had him vetted and vet said he was still fitter than he looked so he went into quite a lot of work quite quickly. Oh and he was hogged 3 month previous so it was growing!
 
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kitty I think that might have been for anitfaz's shipping costs only!
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This is correct. Postage only
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can do you a smaller version for much cheaper though
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he looks just the same honest

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ps this is what he looked like the day I bought him and he went on exercise exercise and more exercise, how he hadnt got lami I have no idea.

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He's very cute
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ETS: I've just caught up with the thread and seen second pic. He looks great
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So, so much better - great to see all those horrid deposits off his neck and an actual shoulder! You can do it too, OP!
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I was going to PM SS some pics actually, you cant see in that pic but others I have there is some serious cellulite going on. He doesnt carry any excess on bottom or neck now, sometimes on his belly but he does let it all hang out rather.

He is also a lot more relaxed than he was in the first pic, he was a rather stressed out pone to start.

I keep an eye on him all the time, but he is kept the same as our anglo I just keep him in as much work as I can. I have to be careful if for any reason I cant work him.
 
Well they're like people aren't they - as I understand it you never lose fat cells, they shrink instead, so they are still there ready and waiting to expand again at a moments notice.

He looks a much happier boy all round, he did look a stressed little pickle in that first one as well as being a little tubster. Really lovely to see such an improvement
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Hmmm your right, I think he does! Poor Frank, I'm going to tell him you have been posting these highly embarrassing pics of him looking less than his best...some ladies may see, tut! You mean mum!
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Can I just add that I'm pretty sure had ester taken Frank showing when he was that weight the judges would have told her he looked lovely too, he is 'show cob' weight in these pics (ie. overweight!)
 
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Can I just add that I'm pretty sure had ester taken Frank showing when he was that weight the judges would have told her he looked lovely too, he is 'show cob' weight in these pics (ie. overweight!)

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I wish you were wrong, but I have never seen such a concentration of fat wibbly horses as I did at an international show last summer
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Working hunters? One fence and they'd have had a heart attack!

I really do think that generally ideas of what is 'fat'and what is 'healthy' have become skewed because so many horses are now overweight that they become the norm and healthy weight horses look skinny by comparison.
 
funny you should say that temsik........... when people ask me what he used to look like I have often said like a show cob........ and could prob have shown as one if i kept him hogged. I also think many welshie judges would have prefered him like that too
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Can prob guarantee if I take him to NPS show next week (as non member!) he will be the slimmest welshie there
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Thank you to everyone for your replies and advice. G has started his diet and new exercise regime from today and I am going to monitor his weight week by week with weight chart and photos.

Hopefully he shall be back to the slimmer, happier version of himself within a reasonable amount of time.
 
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Thank you to everyone for your replies and advice. G has started his diet and new exercise regime from today and I am going to monitor his weight week by week with weight chart and photos.

Hopefully he shall be back to the slimmer, happier version of himself within a reasonable amount of time.

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Well done, I am sure you will have him back on track in no time at all.
 
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