Cant believe what he has done now

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Turn him out or shoot the bloody thing.

Sounds like he is perfectly capable of killing someone.

If I was your YO I'd have asked you to take your animal and sod off by now.


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Have to agree with you there... I would be fooooking furious if a known danger was loose on the yard and tried to stomp me in to the ground!!
 
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Turn him out or shoot the bloody thing.

Sounds like he is perfectly capable of killing someone.

If I was your YO I'd have asked you to take your animal and sod off by now.


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What a nasty post
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In what way was it nasty? Please, do tell.
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I am honestly gobsmacked that you, and the YO have allowed it to get to the stage where he has broken out and CORNERED someone. If I were those people I would be going mental at you and the YO.

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That's a bit harsh. It doesn't sound like he broke out, the owner didn't secure him properly, which, OP, if I were your YO or another livery I would be mighty miffed about. This horse does sound like a bu**er and OP if you chose to keep a horse like that it is your responsibility to manage his behavior without putting other people at risk.

OP, get yourself an extra lock lower down the door, and a strong door chain to hang behind the door at all times, horses should not be able to escape without demolishing the stable! You also have to do something about your management in general if this horse is consistently obnoxious and it isn't just a temporary problem due to the weather conditions.

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If the incident was down to the owner not even securing the animal properly I'd be even more angry.

And if any of our horses get out they might head for the field, or have a root around the feed room (if its open) not corner someone in a barn and try and bite/stand on them.
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I think the "shoot the bloody thing" comment could be perceived as nasty being as that is someone's pet you are talking about and being so blunt to another person might upset her.
 
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I think the "shoot the bloody thing" comment could be perceived as nasty being as that is someone's pet you are talking about and being so blunt to another person might upset her.

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Well ok maybe that was too harsh for some.

Get rid of the animal? Fob it off to someone else to deal with...

Is that more acceptable?
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I'll stop now. Maybe.
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^^ Thats a bit of a silly thing to say, some of us have difficult horses that we find very gratifying. I don't see the point of having a horse you don't ride, but I don't tell people they should get rid just because I don't understand it...

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I'm sure you do...but I wouldnt find it very gratifying to turn up to the yard at 6.30 am to be cornered by someone elses agressive horse who had trashed the yard and haynets and eaten the feeds....

If OP wants to get her head kicked in on a daily basis then thats up to her....but I dont think anyone else should have to put up with someones elses 'loonie' horse......

I'm sure he would be much better with turnout- even if it was for only a couple of hours a day, but OP doesnt want to......he's clearly been ok and survived a night out of his stable so surely he would be ok to go out for a couple of hours during the day.....accidents do happen, I know...and I'm sorry for the lady whose horse slipped and broke a leg, but this can happen any time, not just when its snowy and icy. One of mine had a broken leg from a kick, but he still goes out every day all day.....because keeping him in would cause more problems like OP is having.
 
Tinks I think you are out of order, its lovely that your yard horses are so well behaved and well rounded, however some of us have horses that other people have ruined and their behaviour isn't always perfect. Saying how well behaved your horses would act doesn't really help the OP does it? Nor does saying "shoot your horse"...
 
You're a trouble maker you are. Using words like sod off, shoot the bloody thing. She loves this horse and is looking for some support from the forum. You show no empathy or diplomacy to the original poster, I'm all for straight talking but your use of language reads like you've just spat her in the face and then later on your comment "It's tinkerbee to you".

Troublemaker and damn nasty to boot!
 
can i just correct you poppymoo this behaviour is 99.9% due to the weather and when it is safe to move him around the yard he gets turned out in school everyday and is perfectly handleable,Yes he is a loon and prob always will be but normally not a risk to other people this was an accident on my part and i cant assure you it wont happen again as will be double/treble checking the door before i leave,I dont like the idea of him being loose on the yard anymore than anybody else does and not only because i dont want othert people near him but we on a main rd and could have been much worse
 
I understand what you are saying Kitsune, its NOT the horses fault at all.

Its simply down to how he is currently being managed.
One of mine would go stir crazy being in every day...he wouldnt stand it...he would be a menace....I know this, the 12 weeks on boxt rest was THE worst period of my life he was an absolute git bag.

So he goes out. Simples.

OP....I really do feel for you having to deal with this....but honestly....turn him out for a couple of hours, with hay, and let him chill out and have a good roll.
 
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Tinks I think you are out of order, its lovely that your yard horses are so well behaved and well rounded, however some of us have horses that other people have ruined and their behaviour isn't always perfect. Saying how well behaved your horses would act doesn't really help the OP does it? Nor does saying "shoot your horse"...

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I'm probably not coming across very well (as per usual...) but I'm perfectly aware that some horses are a bit mad and have issues, whether from current owners or previous ones.

Our horses aren't all saints, far from it. We have a couple who given half a chance would probably be like the OPs horse.

But they are managed appropriately. We don't keep them in 24/7, refuse advice to persuade the YO that turn out is a must, refuse to find some way of safely excercise or controlling the horse.

I know horses can be different but theres a difference between doing something about it and having your horse try and kill someone and then bleat about lack of TO.

Thats not on IMO. Sorry if its out of order.
 
I vaguely recall replying to one of ops earlier posts regarding turnout during the heavy snow, but I haven't read his/her other posts so am unaware of the said horses 'normal' behaviour - which is why I haven't labelled it.
 
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You're a trouble maker you are. Using words like sod off, shoot the bloody thing. She loves this horse and is looking for some support from the forum. You show no empathy or diplomacy to the original poster, I'm all for straight talking but your use of language reads like you've just spat her in the face and then later on your comment "It's tinkerbee to you".

Troublemaker and damn nasty to boot!

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Lol. Um ok. Sorry I come across that way. I'm nice enough most of the time.
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The OP has posted similair posts before, and nothing seems to have changed. In fact he seems worse. So sorry if I've run out of diplomacy.
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can i just correct you poppymoo this behaviour is 99.9% due to the weather and when it is safe to move him around the yard he gets turned out in school everyday and is perfectly handleable,Yes he is a loon and prob always will be but normally not a risk to other people this was an accident on my part and i cant assure you it wont happen again as will be double/treble checking the door before i leave,I dont like the idea of him being loose on the yard anymore than anybody else does and not only because i dont want othert people near him but we on a main rd and could have been much worse

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Oh sorry...I though I read a post from you about how he is a git in the stable and very difficult to lead/manage normally? Hence your username?

I'm glad he's ok after his escaping act.
 
To be honest that's merely an accident and can happen whatever the conditions. It's a sad reality of horse ownership.

Your horse sounds to be a bit of a bugger but to be perfectly honest I am one of those who tends to feel most people like to exaggerate stories somewhat! He 'cornered' someone? How? He's a horse for gods sake and surely people on the yard know how to handle horses - why didn't someone just bloody well get a headcollar on him and put him back in the stable. Peopl overreact and panic far too much!

Surely, it's not hard is it - he's not a killer horse? My horse has escaped before back in the day when i used to forget to put the kickover on, he could undo the bolt and also any clip used to stop him doing it! Thankfully we have our own stables so don't have to put up with other numpties who have no clue and who panic in any given situation!

Ours have also broken IN to the yard and I've gone down and found them doing stuff they shouldn't! You just sort them out, without flapping about it

It's horses isn't it? Jesus people!

I would just poor this poor bugger out in the field though - bet he had the time of his life on the yard with all that food and hay all for him!!!! Lol
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That's another thing - why isn't the feed shut away anyway? I would never leave mixed feed out, it's locked in a separate room so horses cannot get in!
 
From your previous posts he's a regular danger to you. Why don't you rug him up, turn him out 24/7 and see what horse you've got in a couple of weeks time? (I think I've said that before, deja vu??). Maybe you can't do that at your current yard, or maybe you don't want to, but if you want to change some things you need to change some things. It's nice that you love him, but love won't help him when he's stressed off his head.
Re horses injuring themselves in icy conditions, well, sh it happens with horses. They injure themselves in all sorts of circumstances. Most of the ones that have been kept in during the bad weather are going to go mad when they eventually get out, so you're damned if you do and damned if you don't when it comes to physical damage.
In the case of your horse, the damage is going to be mental.
 
QR- however this incident came about, wether it be due to poor managemnet, door not being locked, or just general nuttiness of said horse I would be LIVID if I was the person he cornered and tried to bite/stamp on..... what if there had been kids on the yard??--- horse obviously needs different management/yard/feed/exercise, as yes it is currently a danger to himself and others!
 
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If my horse got out onto the yard and was faced with a situation he was scared of there is every chance he would attack someone. I certainly don't think he should be shot!! Its a humans fault he is the way he is, I am damned if a human will ever blame him for the way he's been made!! Just as The OP's horse has been made to act this way by the stupid rule of the YO - the animal cannot really be blamed for behaviour caused by something it cannot help!

I am just lucky that no accidents have happened involving Ed's door being left open etc. Its just an accident and I'm sure OP didn't mean for it to happen.

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I have a horse very much like this and am in complete support of what Kitsune has said.

There is no need for nastyness on this scale. The op has a horse that is going stark raving mad being locked up for the past week or so, it sounds like this is not the horses fault nor the op's. The YO needs to provide turnout for the poor bloody animal and as he/she has a duty of care over that horse to make sure it have access to as normal an existance as possible!

OP can you not talk to the YM after this incident and explain that he/she needs to sort some king of grazing everyday. You had some advice last time you posted about getting in some professional help, have you thought anymore about that? You might find that with a bit of help and some regular field time his manners will improve.
 
This post is ludicrous really.... the title 'Cant believe what he has done now' is misleading and implies the owner is despairing.
When the truth of the matter is that the horse has done nothing wrong really as the owner left the door open. So dont fall out over it people.
 
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Thats the point....turnout IS available......OP doesnt want to
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That's another thing - why isn't the feed shut away anyway? I would never leave mixed feed out, it's locked in a separate room so horses cannot get in!

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I'm guessing breakfasts left outside the relevant stables
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. Most DIY yards I've been on do this as feeding is done on a 'favour' basis. Don't want the poor sod who comes down first having to locate and dish out feeds, much quicker just to chuck over the doors
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I just find it fairly entertaining to be honest, although I feel strongly this horse should be out to let off steam!

I just always take what horsey folk say with a pinch of salt to be honest. From what I've learnt over the years horse people are some of the worst for exaggerating stories so I listen to what's been said and I tone it down a peg or two.

It's a minor incident really, no one was injured and the horse just left the yard in a bit of a mess. Plus I don't truly believe this horse is that aggressive to people but it's probably got a 'reputation' now hence why the other liveries are reacting this way (or overreacting!) and overdramatising the whole thing.

For yours and your horse's sanity though OP - chuck it out in the field!!!!
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Hmm well don't think I'd be keen on that - anything can get into those feeds in that case surely plus horses can and do escape on occasion so would think sensible to have feeds shut in a separate place. Still, that's off topic...!! lol
 
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OP- have you tried him on ACP? does it make a difference to him? if no one on the yard is turning out, surely YO won;t mind one horse being out 24/7?

why don't you try ACPing him to the eyeballs, or get the vet out to sedate him. get him to the field, rugged up and turn him out for a week.

the initial hooning around should be lessened with the sedation. he may well come back a different horse and you'd have to change your name to richie_is_an_angel.
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Thats the point....turnout IS available......OP doesnt want to
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Just speak ya mind Tinkerbell that my horse you talking about he may be a fruitloop but i love him and will not shoot him thank you

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But if he is dangerous and is cornering people and attacking them (which is what you stated in your OP) then you need to stop thinking so sentimentally about him and make a decision. As was suggested to you on your last post, you need to get a professional out to sort him out. I'm sorry to say this but what you're doing clearly isn't working. Stop treating him like a baby; your horse does not want you to love him, he wants you to be the boss and take charge. I said this in your last post but I have a big, bargy and rude IDx who would walk all over me if I let him. He got to being almost as bad as yours so I got a pro in to sort it out and teach me how to handle him. He can now be led by a novice who is scared of horses, most unlike the horse that 12 months ago needed to be led everywhere in a chifney and with the handler wearing a hard hat.

Turn him out and leave him out for a few days to let off some steam, then deal with his obviously bad manners. Get a professional out to show you how to set boundaries for him and maintain them.
 
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