Cant believe what he has done now

Have you been asked to leave the yard? I do feel bad for you, because it must be gutting and humiliating to be asked to leave, but realistically, I am not surprised. In the long run, however, this may be the best thing for both of you, since now you HAVE to find him somewhere else to live, and it may as well be somewhere with half-decent winter turnout.

Whereabouts in the country are you? Perhaps someone here can suggest a yard or yards for you to approach.
 
Hi trundle we are in lancashire and wont be easy finding another yard for 2 reasons
1 word will have got round already what went on today and
2 he HAS to have a concrete stable as he constantly kicks the wall while eating and will just knock a hole in a wooden one.
And Johnrobert farmer called me to a meeting and just basically said i can stay but Richie has to go
 
If i cant find anywhere it looks like knacker yard for him
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Sorry to hear that but I wouldnt think this should come as a shock to you? People will only put up with this sort of bad behaviour for a period of time and once placed in a dangerous situation, like people were this morning, then I can completely understand why the YO would ask your horse to be moved from this yard. Your horses behaviour is totally unacceptable, however this really could be a blessing in disguise opening up for you and him. Give him a fresh start somewhere else, and I would strongly suggest when you move him that you make sure he lives out 24/7. Your horse is very much lacking in displaying horse behaviour and I really think that by turning him out with other horses then he could learn a lot from them. Of course you would have to make sure that other liveries are not put in any danger from him sharing a field with him. This is your *very BEST chance*, possibly the last chance for a while, to get this horse straightened out. He cant go on like this, and you need some professional help here. You need to learn the best way to deal with your horse competently because so far, you have failed Im afraid to say.

His future is in your hands ---- please try to make wise decisions and not continue to bury your head in the sand. Your horse has a problem which has been man made and you have the power to help reverse this situation. I do hope it all works out well for you. Youve been given some excellent advice by people who know more about this than you, if you are smart then you will listen and make changes.
 
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farmer called me to a meeting and just basically said i can stay but Richie has to go

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I think that is actually quite unfair to this horse as this problem was YOUR fault for not closing the door, and the YOs fault for preventing you from gritting the yard and turning out, it wasn't really Richie's fault at all. I still think your YO sounds like a tit and you will be better off in the long run somewhere else.
 
Try & find grass livery & turn him away for 6 months. The fact that he HAS to have a concrete stable further compounds the fact that your current situation is far from ideal. He is unnaturally high maintenance in my opinion. Think about it -

HAS to have a concrete stable.
HAS to be tied to one particular tie ring on the yard only.
HAS to only be out for 30 minutes twice a day - no more, no less.
HAS to be handled by you only.

Surely you can see that this is not a sustainable way to keep a horse. I am sure that there must be somewhere that will be sympathetic to you needing to change his situation for the better? Good luck.
 
Why would you stay if your horse has to go???? You can bet your boots that I wouldn't be trekking up to my yard every day if my horse wasn't there ! Or does he mean you can stay if you get a different horse?

There must be somewhere nearby (or even not so nearby) where he can go onto grass livery. Sedate him up to the eyeballs if you have to. If he constantly kicks the wall while he's eating, feed him outside, well away from other people and horses.

You know, I am deeply numpty-like, and know virtually nothing, but everything you have said about this horse's behaviour makes me wonder if he is in constant pain. Do you think he could have some sort of neurological problem? Have you had the vet to him?
 
Can i be honest everyone? I'm beginning to think this whole thing is made up. All the drama, every few days, not taking any advice, coming up with new stuff all the time that isn't mentioned in the original posts... Maybe i'm just suspicious because of the dunroamin thing but...
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Anyone else thinking along the same lines?
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Prob will be better off elsewhere,he has never really been allowed to be part of a herd because when he broke his leg he had 12 months boxrest then he had to go in field on his own because farmer didnt want anybodyelse having to go in field with him,i bought him a companion but it didnt work out and i had to sell. This is the 1st time he has EVER really caused a problem by physically menacing but all people on yard scared of him because he is so big and imposing, I think a lot of his probs come from he knows nobody else but me because nobody wanted to get to know him,i got a girl to look after him while i was on hols in october and she had no problems whatsoever because she didnt let him know she was scared and he respected that,I truely think he lacks confidence and feeds off people the are intimidated by him. I may be talking [****] but it makes sence to me,I know i have prob spoilt him too much and if i could turn the clock back (which i cant) i would have done things totally different
 
I got about halfway through this thread then got bored with it all... so here's my tuppence worth.

he might be small, and people may laugh but our elder pony has done this. He cornered me in the field and booted the c*ap out of me. Only difference was, I wasnt frightened, he angered me, and I kicked him right back (in the backside) I had no choice, the little beggar had me pinned against afence and wasnt letting up kicking me... i had to do something.... He hasnt done it since (has threatened to but takes one look at my 'don't even THINK about it' face and stops) but will do it to others given half a chance. In the wild he'd get booted back...
I'm not one for 'hitting' horses but that one time. It worked. Where he is now he's kicked out at the YOs, but they understand that it's him. He doesnt like people in the field when he's loose. You don't need geese with him about! Hes broken into the garden and hooleyed about and tried to kick everyone who tried to catch him. And yes, he'll chase you and spin and kick you.
hes a terror in the stable at times, and gets his headcollar put on at the door and led outside. Working with him IN the stable is not an option!
So I play it safe. he's out 24/7 with a leather headcollar on, and he's called to the gate and caught before we go in. I can gauge his moods now and sometimes go over to him, but that's rare, and I ALWAYS watch my back. Most importantly he knows full well i won't take any c*ap off him, but watch him with anyone who doesnt know any better and yes, he'll chase them round. I warn anyone who goes near him of what he'll do, and am specific about who handles him. I have him in a private field with a companion because I darent have him on a livery yard because he would hurt someone.

I don't think Richie needs shooting. I think you need to either change yards so he can be outside all the time, or have someone professional come in once a week or so and try and turn him around or see what management suits him best. I think you've a lot to think about, but for this horses welfare and your own you need to make changes. I understand about the ice, at old yard we simply couldnt get the horses off the yard, so we used an old cow shed and turned them into there for the morning on their own or in friendly pairs. Could you perhaps do that? I dont agree with ACP-ing, because if he hoons he wont have the wits about him to stop himself slipping or falling. Often it's better to just chuck em out and close your eyes!!
 
Yes Jackdaws I have been thinking the very same thing. From the moment she came back and replied that the horse must have a concrete stable.... havent most of us been saying to turn the horse out 24/7? Poster, if all you are saying is true then you dont need a concrete stable for this horse. You dont need any stable for this horse. This horse *NEEDS* to learn to become a horse again without all your micro-managing. Let him go out in a field and become a horse. Go and take some correct handling lessons from someone with more knowledge than you and then once you know what you are doing, go back to your horse and put them into practice.
 
Please believe it is all true feel free to contact other members that know us for verification,I am in the middle of a nightmare and comments like yours dont help
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I haven't read all the posts but did notice that richie is a hand reared horse? If this is the case then he may well be very dangerous/confused/spoiled...they are notorious for it. Perhaps if OP is serious about getting this horse right she should put sentiment aside ("but i love him" isn't helping) and get him to a damn good behaviourist and leave them to get on without interference for a while- think maxwell or kelly marks. Otherwise the meat man might be the only practacle option. Genuinely aggressive horses are bloody frightening and dangerous. My horse isn't nasty but IS very domanant, he would soon turn aggresive if he hadn't been handled very firmly when I had him aged 2, and in response to those who suggest waving arms at them - this just encourages him, the only thing he really respects is the stick and before you all jump on me I have only ever hit him twice but made it count. He is an now affectionate horse and safe to ride/handle/load.
 
OK, so how long have you got to find another yard? Where do people round your way go for gossip & noticeboards; tack shop, feed store, show centre? Get to all the tack shops and feed stores, and check their boards for yards. Ask farmers if you can rent a field. Some local councils have fields for rent. You just need to pull your finger out and find somewhere.

Failing that, I think you may be on the right track to have him PTS. As someone else pointed out, if you are the only one who can handle him, what on earth would happen if he hurt you? Who would care for him then?
 
This is why i let the horse whisperer look at him because Rich is only 5 and i am 41 so i got to thinking what happens when i cant do it anymore
 
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and i am the only one willing to handle him as they are all fannys on present yard

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I don't think saying things like that is very helpful. I am not a "fanny" and I wouldn't handle someone else's dangerous horse - i am self-employed and have a small daughter, if i am injured, who looks after her and pays my bills? I am happy to deal with other people's grumpy, bargy and bolshy horses, but not dangerous, insane ones.

You chose a yard with a non-horsy YO in the first place, and other liveries are there to look after their own horses, not yours. Do you know anyone horsy locally who might be able to let you use their grazing for a bit?
 
He is called alan dawber and claims to be the horse whisperers apprentice but he was more intimidated by his size than anybody on yard,he never came back.
and thought chiffney was just really for horses that tended to rear?he has never reared in his life
 
No a chifney can help with leading issues but HAS to be fitted and used properly.
I assume you lead him in a bridle anyway?

How big is Richie?? and does this Alan have a website??


I expect someone here can recommend a good horseperson in your area.
 
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Only difficult as in he pulls and vet here every other week for one reason or another If its not stitching him back up from going through electric fence its his teeth that YES he has problems with them or dropping weight for no apparent reason he costs me a fortune and yes i would love to sort him out. I dont know anybody round here that will be able to come in and help (profesional)
 
richie is 16.3 and no no website i didnt invite him it was somebodyelse on yard that worked for a ridding for disabled that had him at her yard and he was after a project and she suggested Richie. And no need for a bridle to lead as he IS controllable with rope over nose just needs a feww jerks back when he pulls
 
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