Cant believe what he has done now

If the only reason he is 'difficult' to lead is because he pulls then this sounds like something that can be sorted out pretty easily - you just have to put the time and EFFORT into doing groundwork with him. I don't know any history of you or your horse but it worries me that you have been the biggest influence on his life and he ended up like this - I think you should get a professional in ASAP to give both him and you some much needed lessons.
 
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I thought you said he was difficult to lead?

[/ QUOTE ] something doesnt have to rear to make it difficult to lead. Spinning, pulling, barging are all things that can be intimidating and difficult.

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Yes, you are correct, and having owned Tb's for a number of years I am aware, thankyou - it IS usually for rearing. I may try to use a chiffney for discipline too, but only if the horse was as dangerous as this one.
 
Actually he DOES have a website

theapprenticehorsewhisperer.co.uk

But thats not the issue. the issue is that your difficult horse is now homeless. How long have you got to move him?

There isn't much you can do right now. Tomorrow, get down to the tack shop, write down the number of every single yard on their noticeboard and phone them all! If they can't help you, ask if they can recommend somewhere that might be able to.
 
Try the intelligent horsemanship website & find the recommended associate for your area. The RA I had out was amazing with my horse in terms of getting him to work with me & respect my space.
 
He's only 5, isn't he? I would turn him away COMPLETELY, not ridden, nothing, but with other horses, so that he can learn to be a horse again. Seriously, if you don't let him learn to be a horse again, you may as well have him shot now. If he cant live in and he can't live out, how can he live at all?
 
Sounds like it needs turning out with company for a couple of weeks and some bloody hard work.
Also you might want to reconsider your attitude to the other liveries - if a horse on the yard I'm at attacked me or another owner I would be furious, doubly so if it were my horse that was the culprit.
 
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He's only 5, isn't he? I would turn him away COMPLETELY, not ridden, nothing, but with other horses, so that he can learn to be a horse again. Seriously, if you don't let him learn to be a horse again, you may as well have him shot now. If he cant live in and he can't live out, how can he live at all?

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Perfect solution. AGREE 110%. This is now the ONLY option, and the best solution anyway.
 
I havnt been able to put him on grass livery as there is none available round here and he barges through electric fence cutting himself up in process and have said this numerous times
 
please read earlier post he has NEVER EVER done anything like this before so the only thing people have had to frightened of is his size
 
RIAL why dont you send him to a proffessional yard for a while to see if they can work through his groundwork issues?

Bar that could you just rent a field in the short term and turn him out for the rest of the winter at least and see if his attiude improve's.
He doesnt need a stable.he's a horse...he will adjust to living in a field if you give him time..sedate if nessecary, rug if nessecary and chuck him out in a field with good fencing..both to keep him in and unwanted visitors out.
In this weather you wont be able to do a lot of riding anyway.

I would seriously consider getting a proffesional in dealing with difficult horses to handle him for a while...they might also be able to give you some tips in how to get him to act well for people other then yourself(i seem to remember you saying he was ok for you...but correct me if im wrong)

Someday you might not be their for him he needs to be good with people in general not just you if he is going to be kept on livery yards etc...as you no doubt learned from the latest incidence.


But do get a true proffesional involved before you give up on him.
They should be able to tell you if he is really dangerous or not if they work with him.
This forum is a resource like that if you ask you may be able to get suggestions for a suitable proffesional in your area.

If he is dangerous and its not fixable then im afriad it may be time to call it a day before someone gets badly hurt...
you clearly love him but part of the responsibility of owning a horse is knowing when it's time.

He may be young but if his issues with other people handling him and aggression are as serious as they come across from you post's and there is nothing a proffesional can do far him then it is your responsibility as his owner to do whats best for his welfare.
Weather that is PTS or turning him out 24/7 something needs to be done,He does not sound suitable to be in public places like liverys im afraid

Good luck with him whatever you do
 
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He's only 5, isn't he? I would turn him away COMPLETELY, not ridden, nothing, but with other horses, so that he can learn to be a horse again. Seriously, if you don't let him learn to be a horse again, you may as well have him shot now. If he cant live in and he can't live out, how can he live at all?

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Ditto This. Well said. This is the only option. Find a way to do it, or find someone else who will. You must accept how ridiculous this situation is.
 
I doubt size is the only reason people are frightened of him. I have a 17hh boy who is built like a brick s***house but no one is frightened to handle him because he is well mannered.
I agree with Trundle the horse needs to be turned away and left to be a horse and then a professional needs to be brought in to sort out his behavioural problems.
 
I think you need to wake up and smell the coffee. From what your fellow livery posted, it was very agressive and dangerous behaviour. There is more to be frightened of than just his size. The fact that he behaves this way AT ALL means he has crossed a line. If he's not in pain, sick or frightened, then it sounds like he has no respect for people. The tenor of your posts seems to be, "he's harmless really". He's not, he's a very big animal whose behaviour is getting worse. Can you afford to move him onto part livery with professionals who can help you with him and offer him good turnout?
 
Perhaps he barges thru' electric fencing because he is seeking equine companionship. If this is the case, that behaviour will extinguish itself once with other horses who will teach him some manners quickly, and outside he won't be mad as a balloon from over stabling.
Try it and see.

 
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please read earlier post he has NEVER EVER done anything like this before so the only thing people have had to frightened of is his size

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But you've posted before that he's "gone mental" in his stable, and on this thread alone you've said that he constantly kicks while he's eating, etc. Its not his size that people are afraid of, its his behaviour and you really do need to face facts.

. My friend's horse is nearly 17hh and she is the sweetest mare I've ever met, my old mare was the same size and while she was quirky and a bit stroppy, she was NEVER dangerous or aggressive.
 
RIAL has also posted in the past on the subject of turnout that "I would def keep in at night but i am a fanny and dont like him out on cold dark nights anyway".

Perhaps this is totally unrelated to this horse, but it would seem that there is no solution to this.....
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yes we seem to be tredding over same ground time and again i have also put he hates people going in his stable while he is in that is why he went mental and loads of horses kick out while eating i have seen loads of posts on it. He once got off from wall and went to a guy that has no horse knowledge whatsoever and because the guy stayed quiet he was no threat at all,all i can think is that lee started trying to shoo him awat (bad move) i am in no way trying to pass the buck and know this needs sorting as he has overstepped the mark but please read earlier posts so we not going over same old thing time and time again
 
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Perhaps this is totally unrelated to this horse, but it would seem that there is no solution to this.....

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I agree. OP keeps changing her mind on what the animal's problem is and there is always a reason why any solution suggested can't be implemented. Every one here has just tried to help, but frankly RIAL, you don't seem to want help. Bored now, going to bed.
 
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I agree. OP keeps changing her mind on what the animal's problem is and there is always a reason why any solution suggested can't be implemented. Every one here has just tried to help, but frankly RIAL, you don't seem to want help. Bored now, going to bed.

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Ditto this. Night Indiat. Night all.
 


RIAL what problems exactly do you have with him?

...you said he is a lovely ride but a [****] to handle
What exactly are his issues and his good point's to balance it out.seeing as all horses look terrible if you just list their faults
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Its all well and good us all reading over posts on different things with him but only you know exactly what hes like...

feel free to tell me to feck off for suggesting it if you just came on here to rant and are getting unwanted advise
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But if you post a list of his faults... incidences where they were a problm and why you think each occured plus a list of what he is actually good at,his good points etc

You or someone else here might be able to see a clearer pattern etc to his behaviour and be able to offer better advise as to how to deal with it....

Just a suggestion
 
\\\i'm not surprised the guy shooed him away. He had cornered him!! i agree with other posters he needs to be turned out , whatever you say he doesn't seem to enjoy beng n his stable neither. My horse had little turnout before I got him, after a few weeks of standing by the gate to no avail, he got used to it and now loves it.
 
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when did i say this?

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Last year on a post where someone was asking opinions on turnout. Go through your previous posts & you'll see it. As I said - could have been completely unrelated to this horse so I am not pointing fingers. I have just been trying to build a picture of your situation from this & your previous posts in an endeavour to make useful suggestions to help, but I am running out of ideas. I sincerely hope that you find a way to get this sorted.
 
When we got my boy he was a great big wimp and would stand at the gate waiting to come in (he would also jump the electric fencing if he didn't like the field he was in) but we persevered with him. During the snow for the past month he has been out virtually 24/7 and when brought in to be fed stands waiting at his door to go back out.
He might not like it to start with but it is the best thing for him and he will get used to it.
 
From what I have gathered .....

This is a spoilt youngster who has gotten away with it for far too long .

Toughen up on him .

ie .... cleaning him out and letting him kick out is not on .
I'd have quickly shoved a fork at his backside !!
If he kicked out at another horse in the field, what would this other horse do ? Kick back ??

You either get your act together ( in the nicest possible way ) and teach this big youngster some manners or you send him away for ground work .

Ship him over to me for several weeks .... I love a challenge .
I really don't tolerate bad manners in a horse .

Really do wish you the best of luck with him .

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I'm astounded that a)this thread is still going, and b) that the OP is 41....I thought we were dealing with a teenager here judging by posting style and immature capitalised ranting
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People on this thread are offering good sound advice, but it's countered at every turn with excuses..........*sigh*............
 
I am gutted I am not closer, I have a horse who acts in an identical manner, although it would seem for different reasons, and would have been happy to have come and given you some help with him.
Not that I'm any kind of expert, but my boy is managed and handled in a way which has seen his behaviour go from bad, to manageable and now three trusted people on my yard can handle him without a bother.

Ed also kicks out when he's eating (although cleverly, never when I walk behind him) he stamps and paws and lashes out with his teeth at me (although cleverly never catching me since the one time he did!) I thnk you need to change the behaviour you let Richie get away with, you need to set boundaries, even small ones and have him respect them. If he's naughty to lead you lead that naughty boy round and round every single day for a month until he gets the picture, he's to walk tidily by your side. He WILL get bored before you do!

I think OP is avoiding taking any of the advice because this horse has the metaphorically backed into a corner and she's exasperated with the whole thing. Isn't there someone here, close enough who can go and help her in person and see the issue first hand? I would, if I was close.

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