Cant believe what he has done now

RIAL - please consider getting your horse scoped - I will bet that he has ulcers, and if so, and you can fix them, you might just find you have a far more contented horse on your hands. But remember, he needs constant hay/haylage, he needs exercise, he needs turn out, he needs a routine.
 
Some help perhaps?

PM Luckilotti
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/forums/showflat.php?Number=5137681

Might be worth joining and asking these people?
http://www.newrider.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137309

Really think the first thing to do is find a field with good fencing/hedges and other horses nearby and put your horse in it. Doesn't need to be mega close to you if all you need to do each day is chuck out hay and check he has all four legs intact twice a day
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QR
Turn the horse out and be done with it.
Stop making excuses, if you are too scared to handle it get some one who isnt. simples.
Cant believe theres 11 pages on this, has the ops horse seriousy been stuck in since the last thread?
Who can blame him breaking out.
 
Seems to me you have 2 options,
1) If you can afford it, send him away to a professionals yard and see what they can do OR
2) Find a private field to rent. Get Metal stock fencing put up (think post and rail but metal), trust me, no horse can get through it. My horse weighs a ton, and scratches his bum on the fencing and there has been no damaged caused. Get him a companion, but not a little one. There are lots of larger horses that can't be ridden looking for companion homes as people usually want tiny ponies. Get a professional in to help as often as you can afford it.
Size should mean nothing. My boy is 18.1hh, so would make your boy look tiny, and to add to the mix, he is built like a brick sh*thouse as he is a Shire. As previously mentioned, he weighs a ton, so a very physically intimidating horse. And yet, when the YM gets everybody in for bed, he is the first one she gets in because he is such a good boy to handle. No pulling, no barging, backs off when asked, etc. And that is because his previous owner set him firm boundaries, and I continue this. Size is no excuse.
 
i know we are pretty far away but we possibly could take him and turn him out 24/7 with other horses for 6 months and let him be a horse? its all proper fencing with shelter and they are fed and checked daily.
 
If he were mine I would:
- call the vet out for a complete health check including scoping him for ulcers
- give him 6 months in a field with other horses
- send him to a professional to re-educate him
- go to the professional and learn myself how to handle him


Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
 
People over react far to much, there was no need for this thread to go this far at all, yes speak your mind but also remember to respect members too.

This horse does not need to be shot, he needs to be turned out and to be put back in his place, he needs to know who's boss, the more you shy a way from an animal the more they will play on your reactions.
 
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I dont know anybody round here that will be able to come in and help (profesional)

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Get on Kelly Marks' website (Intelligent Horsemanship) and email her, see if she will take him. Or, find one of her Recommended Associates who is local to you and arrange some sessions.
 
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People over react far to much, there was no need for this thread to go this far at all, yes speak your mind but also remember to respect members too.

This horse does not need to be shot, he needs to be turned out and to be put back in his place, he needs to know who's boss, the more you shy a way from an animal the more they will play on your reactions.

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Ditto
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i know we are pretty far away but we possibly could take him and turn him out 24/7 with other horses for 6 months and let him be a horse? its all proper fencing with shelter and they are fed and checked daily.

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My God!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a generous offer and a perfect solution to boot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Bet she doesn't take it
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Bite her hand off OP.
Never heard of your horse whisperer by the way, if you decide to get someone involved after your horse has had a break in a field it might be worth checking their credentials.
 
I think you have 3 options.
1) send him away to a proffesional if you can afford it.
2) If you can get a livery yard to take you both on go back to basics with him. Youv'e made a mess of him and it's up to you to put him right.
3) Or do the kindest thing for both of you and have him PTS
 
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Prob will be better off elsewhere,he has never really been allowed to be part of a herd because when he broke his leg he had 12 months boxrest then he had to go in field on his own because farmer didnt want anybodyelse having to go in field with him,i bought him a companion but it didnt work out and i had to sell. This is the 1st time he has EVER really caused a problem by physically menacing but all people on yard scared of him because he is so big and imposing, I think a lot of his probs come from he knows nobody else but me because nobody wanted to get to know him,i got a girl to look after him while i was on hols in october and she had no problems whatsoever because she didnt let him know she was scared and he respected that,I truely think he lacks confidence and feeds off people the are intimidated by him. I may be talking [****] but it makes sence to me,I know i have prob spoilt him too much and if i could turn the clock back (which i cant) i would have done things totally different

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QR I'm really glad to see that you have made this post.

I mentioned my tricky mare in my post earlier - she was in a poor way when I got her and I was too soft on her, too - and her behaviour gradually went from bad to worse, she even kicked me once. I then moved yards and my new YO unloaded her. She stepped off the lorry, barged my new YO out of the way and marched off across the yard. She was immediately put in her place and her first groundwork session ensued, and she is now a changed horse.

The aggressive horse I mentioned earlier also fed off people's nerves, if he knew you were scared of him he'd literally just terrorise you! Its strange behaviour for a prey animal but it can occur when they are at odds with the way they are being kept. As I said earlier, a new home was a new start for him and he's a changed horse now as well.

I'm hoping this whole incident and 13-page thread has opened your eyes and made you realise a few home truths. Now you have been asked to leave the yard, its a perfect oppurtunity to get that fresh start and get Richie on his way to being a reformed character. Big changes can happen and the ideal time to make them is when you are moving - they sort of accept that its new home, new routine. Please get yourself some proffesional help, and if you really think you have caused his problems perhaps be prepared to totally take a back seat and not handle him at all for a while, just supervising what the professional does.

Remember that horses do not like to be mollycoddled - they like to spend their time being horses and when interacting with other horses or people they like to know exactly where they stand at all times, having a firm leader makes a horse feel secure.

If he's only five he's got plenty of time to change his ways and if he's good to ride he's already got one good thing going for him. Now grab this opportunity with both hands and endeavour to turn Richie into a happy, confident horse who trusts and RESPECTS his owner, and I promise you he'll love you a hundred times more for this than for years of being soft on him.

I wish you the very best of luck x x x
 
op i would take that offer! i was going to suggest something similar, he can come and stay with me for a year if you like? If he was mine personally he would be left in a very secure field to just get over the wanting in thing, it wouldnt take long for him to learn, he would be out in a fairly mixed herd, we have a huuge belgian draft who takes no sh!t from anyone, he is the big boss. and i would just handle him daily lightly grooming, picking feet and then back out in field, but hey tthats just me. you make out like you are the only person on earth who could possibly manage this horse, i am certain there are plenty people out their who could. i wish you luck with this poor horse.
 
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i know we are pretty far away [ edinburgh ] and maybe someone closer would be better but if all else fails we can find a spot here for Ritchie to be a horse for a while, he will fit in to our herd of misfits pretty well lol
 
Look- weather aside, what happens if this horse has a serious injury and has to be box rested. Frustrated as he may be it is UNACCEPTABLE that he becomes a danger to his handlers or people he may come into contact with.

If I was on your yard and I was the person being cornered I'd be asking you+ horse leave the yard so its unsurprising that thats happened.

You cannot make the excuse that the horse being stabled so long is why he is acting this way. A horse who has good ground training yes may become a bit grumpy and have the odd misdemeanor but the posts ive read about this horse make him sound a danger, and impossible to handle. Whether this is his temperament, or he's been driven to it by poor management only you will no (I dont mean incompetent handling, I mean lack of turnout/exercse etc)

A horse who behaves this way when stabled, yet barges through the fnece when put out, sounds unhappy. poss lonely if on his own. Eitehr way i personally wouldve moved the horse prior to this weather kick off, if its barging through the fence its not happy where it is. so your prob best off having to move him


have to agree with comment further up - if it was kicking out at me it would get a swift fork up the backside. i know i know controversial but this horse seriously needs sorting out. I dont put up with bad manners and therefore dont really have any [serious] problems so shoot me down if my horse would get a broom up the backside for a serious [dangerous] misdemeanor and if it repeated it then it would be off to a behavioural expert.

To say you dont know anyone around you to send it to IMO is irrelevant - get searching on here, ask around, put a post on here, search the net - search high and low if you have to or send it to the nearest one no matter how far. you cant leave it behaving as it is - no offence but clearly your handling isnt working as its trying to muller you in the stable (not saying i could do any better btw just pointing out a fact, sometimes if you love something you are blinded by it!)

I would also have a full MOT and get lots of vet advice to unsure the horse has no underlying issues - see what your insurance covers.

How on earth you are coping with this horse i dont know. I love my horses but i would be absolutely mortified if they behaved this way (and no mine arent angels) and would be straight on the phone to a behavioural expert to come out and help me, before a serious accident occured.

To be honest given the situation that you need to move it, i'd just send it to an expert, on livery where the horse can be in a stable environment with company which would prob help, and give it a month +, if he still wasn't improved after a fair period of time, and the vet results came back with nothing - then i'd have to consider his future options as if given the best management, care, company, routine, proper handling and company he was still a nutjob to handle he must have a physcological issue.

I see that you have not liked some of the replies on this post, but you have posted about your horses appaling behaviour on a public forum. and your user name emplies its a loony. so im afraid you will get frank replies.
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You clearly love the horse (or wouldnt be putting up with it!) so i really do hope that can get it sorted out.
 
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