Capital Punishment

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No to the death penalty. Murder is murder, and it is wrong.
Transportation was a good idea. We should be working harder to make it possible to colonise the moon, or perhaps the parts of Russia where they used to send dissidents. Send them there, they have two choices, survive and make a life, or freeze and starve.
Mind you, looking at Australia ......
 
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If someone you loved for instance your, husband, wife, parent or child and the person charged admitted they had murdered them, could you kill them by electric chair, hanging or in the same way they had killed your loved one if you believe in the death penalty?

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YES !
 
"I think that as long as it is proven beyond any doubt"

If the legal system required proof beyond ANY doubt then very very few people would get convicted of anything. So by making the standard of proof so high you would actually virtually remove any deterrent effect and far more people would get off scot free.
 
You could say that if there is no reasonable doubt then lock them up but if there is not ANY doubt then kill them but to me the punishment should be based on the offense not what standard of proof can be applied.
 
I waver between wanting capital punishment brought back, and not brought back.

In cases like this - mindless assault on two innocents, you wonder at a world gone mad.

The problem is that life does not mean life in this country - a person can be out in a matter of years after being handed down a life sentance. So people understandably bray for blood in these situations.

I don't know what the answer is to prevent crimes like these from occuring, but I suspect that the threat of a death sentance is not one of them.......
 
The death sentence is pure hypocrasy. How can you say that these people are evil for taking another life then doing the same yourself (yourself being the State). I believe that no human being has the right to take another human being's life no matter who they are. Also, eccoing Emma69, it actually ends up costing more tax payers money to execute people than to keep them locked up for life so that isn't a basis for argument.

I agree that prison life should be harder but not with the drug testing which could end up as a death sentence if something went wrong. People should have to think about what they have done and should not have more benefits than the rest of us. You can take someone out of society without killing them... well technically you can if life actually meant life!
 
No, I don't think that I could. However angry I might be, I don't think I could kill someone, from a purely selfish point of view i don't think I could live with myself. And the fact that it would make me no better than them, regardless of state sanction or not. I am not saying I would say no to being along in a room while the guards turned a blind eye, but I don't think I could go as far as killing another human, regardless of what they had done.

I also firmly believe that if I were required to sit on a jury, and was told that if found guilty, the person would receive the death sentence, I could not find that person guilty - I could not be responsible for putting someone to death.
 
I don't think anger would come into it for me. If my young daughter had been brutally raped and tortured then I doubt anger would be my foremost emotion; I would simply want that person dead.

If I was on a jury where the death penalty was going to be the punishment for a brutal crime, then it wouldn't occur to me to find them not guilty because of the punishment. If I believed they were guilty then I would find them guilty.

I can understand why some people couldn't do this - but I am very certain I could .... and given the chance, would.
 
Studies in the US have shown that it is more expensive to try to execute a criminal than to maintain him/her in life without parole. That is due to the costs of all the legal work for appeals, etc. I wouldn't want to limit appeals as I believe that if the state is going to execute someone they better be d@mned sure they have the right person. I don't think capital punishment is a deterent as most of the people who commit the most heinous crimes are so evil they would commit them anyway. I suppose it is a way to prevent the "Hannibal Lecters" of this world from ever being able to hurt anyone again.

I don't know about UK prisons but maximum security prisons in the US are far from luxurious. They are hard dangerous places. The most violent criminals are usually kept in solitude 24/7 with only short excercise and shower times. They are allowed certain reading material but no TV or video games. The maximum security prison here has a farm attached to it and inmates (except for the most violent) are required to work in the "hoe line" weeding the cotton and soybean fields. There are guards on horseback with shotguns to keep the inmates from escaping. One of the medium security prisons has a working ranch attached complete with a cattle and horse breeding operation. They produce the beef for the rest of the prison system. The prisoners are taught how to care for the horses including farrier training and many go on to work as farriers after they are released. The horses they raise and train are used on the ranch and by the guards.
 
If they brought the US style maximum security prisons into the UK, I would be a happy chappy! The UK prisons are far 'softer' and wardens trip over themselves to ensure prisoners' rights aren't violated - many of the prisons you would be hard pushed to tell the difference between them and a college dorm. I love the idea of inmates working to provide food for the prison system, and certainly agree that forced work would do many of them good.
 
As far as Im concerned, no one has the right to take the life of another for any reason eg. vengeance and co. The death penalty does not sit easy with me and is as bad as the original crime.It has no place in a humane and civilised society. Anyone who says otherwise, well......
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It has no place in a humane and civilised society. Anyone who says otherwise, well......

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Well, what? I make absolutely no bones about - if someone brutally raped or murdered my daughter I would want that inhuman person dead. No way would I want the b*st*rd being able to do that to any other family or child, and he certainly wouldn't if he was dead.
 
I agree

Capital punishment isnt being brutal or inhuman for no reason its punishment, and maybe if these sick peodophiles and murderered were punished like that they wouldnt do it again.
 
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I agree

Capital punishment isnt being brutal or inhuman for no reason its punishment, and maybe if these sick peodophiles and murderered were punished like that they wouldnt do it again.

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God no it's brutal and inhumane WITH a reason.

I'm not sure there's a maybe about it. Fry the perps and they definitely won't reoffend that's for sure.
 
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In fact I believe there is only one executee who ever came back to carry on causing trouble.

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Oh dear - don't let anyone from the Soapbox come in here....
 
Oh I'm not into torture. I would have him killed as quickly and as painlessly as possible and take him off the market for causing substantial grief to other families.
 
What value do you place on the life of an innocent child?

Same as in the States; appeals, DNA, forensic. He would have a number years to appeal and try to prove his innocence. If he couldn't, then BANG!
 
An innocent child's worth of value. What other answer is there.

So let me get this right. You think that people who cannot prove they are innocent should get fried?

That's a pretty major revision of our criminal justice system your proposing there girl!
 
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What value do you place on the life of an innocent child?

Same as in the States; appeals, DNA, forensic. He would have a number years to try to prove his innocence. If he couldn't, then BANG!

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I agree 110% with Tia,if someone hurt to my daughter and took away her innocense i would see red and fight until the bitter end until there was a bang ! And i have never even smacked her and i am not a violent or agressive person,
 
But our appeals system doesn't require proof of innocence.

Currently we require people to be proved guilty beyond 'reasonable doubt' would that suffice as a standard of proof to fry someone or would it need a higher standard of guilt? And if there was a higher standard of proof wouldn't that just mean more people got off.

IMO if we had capital punishment here it would be considerably harder to get a jury to convict.

There's no doubt that all justice systems do have miscarriages of justice so it seems to me that any proponent of capital punishment is being disingenuous if they do not accept that their position involves the killing of a small percentage of innocent people. Do you think that is justified or do you think we could devise a system which never failed.
 
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I agree 110% with Tia,if someone hurt to my daughter and took away her innocense i would see red and fight until the bitter end until there was a bang ! And i have never even smacked her and i am not a violent or agressive person,

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I don't doubt it and I would feel the same but I am really not sure that that is the point.
 
Oh that is an interesting slant - would you accept capital punishment knowing that more murderers would go free under that system?
 
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