AmyMay
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Carnage on our Livery Yard
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vennessa
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I am windeing myself up over this now. I realy cannot beleive what these owners did. I would be surprised if the insurance companies paid out. These people knew this was going to happen - and allowed it by turning their horses out together. These people want to find themselves lucky not to be prosecuted. I choose to have horses and do everything i can to protect them and do my best for their welfare. These owners were negligent in my view. This has sickened me. One horse critical through the negligence of the owner. The owner chose to put the horse in that position!
To you, please do move. Find somewhere where you and your horse can be happy. Put your horses welfare first.
To you, please do move. Find somewhere where you and your horse can be happy. Put your horses welfare first.
trundle
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I wouldn't stay at that yard. Who knows what the owner will come up with next? My horse's welfare is more important than cheap livery, I would be looking to move her at the first opportunity.
The problem is really that word will get around. This YO will get a reputation for allowing dangerous horses to have free rein (s it were) and people with decent horses will either move them away, or not come to the yard in the first place. The other side of that is, people whose horses are so problematic that other yards have asked them to leave, will end up at your yard. You run the risk of ending up a "sink yard" for dodgy horses with half-baked owners, who don't know enough to realise that what the YO is demanding is dangerous.
The problem is really that word will get around. This YO will get a reputation for allowing dangerous horses to have free rein (s it were) and people with decent horses will either move them away, or not come to the yard in the first place. The other side of that is, people whose horses are so problematic that other yards have asked them to leave, will end up at your yard. You run the risk of ending up a "sink yard" for dodgy horses with half-baked owners, who don't know enough to realise that what the YO is demanding is dangerous.
Damnation
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As the yard owner he does have a contractual duty of care (if you have a contract with him and depending on what it says). However, since the injuries caused were forseeable and there could have been steps taken to avoid this, then I don't think he is liable. I don't even know if the insurance companies would pay out because it is something that could have been avoided. On the other hand I do agree that this YO is putting people in increasingly difficult situations. I think that you either move yards or have some words with him.. If it was my horse, I'd be gone by now.
Stinkbomb
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I agree. In my insurance policy one of the conditions is, and i quote
" To qualify for benefit YOU and any other person seeking benefit under this policy must keep to the terms and conditions of this policy. Failure to do so may result in us not paying your claim."
"You must...... take resonable care to prevent any accident , illness or damage"
Im sorry but i dont beleive the owners of these horses have complied with this and im sure there relevant insurance companies will have a similar condition.
They choses to turn out knowing the possible consequences. If they do tell the insurance companies the truth about whats happened then they risk not being paid out. but if they dont then they risk being locked up!!!
" To qualify for benefit YOU and any other person seeking benefit under this policy must keep to the terms and conditions of this policy. Failure to do so may result in us not paying your claim."
"You must...... take resonable care to prevent any accident , illness or damage"
Im sorry but i dont beleive the owners of these horses have complied with this and im sure there relevant insurance companies will have a similar condition.
They choses to turn out knowing the possible consequences. If they do tell the insurance companies the truth about whats happened then they risk not being paid out. but if they dont then they risk being locked up!!!
chunklovescooks
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Doesnt really seem like a responsible guy.... i'm sure the insurance company would like words with him...
Stephen
Stephen
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The YO is taking your money and has no respect for you or the other liveries, I'm sure he will make lots more money from his sheep and pigs (not!). My advice would be to get the hell out of there before a horse is killed. I hope it works out for you.
MarinaBay
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I'd be gone, no way would i put my horse in that situation, especially after nearly having to have it PTS already.
Say to the YO either i get indiviaual turn out or I have to leave, after 5 years you would think he would care. If he says no you no your answer!
Say to the YO either i get indiviaual turn out or I have to leave, after 5 years you would think he would care. If he says no you no your answer!
Ellies_mum2
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You're staying??
I'm sorry but I cannot for the life of me understand why you would want to stay at this yard. The YO has no or very little respect for those that pay to use his yard. Not somewhere I would want to keep a much loved horse
Also beyond me is why on earth the owners turned their horses out together KNOWING there would be a problem. There were ways around this ie staggered turnout as has been suggested
I would be on the look for a new yard where both myself and my horse were respected
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You're staying??
I'm sorry but I cannot for the life of me understand why you would want to stay at this yard. The YO has no or very little respect for those that pay to use his yard. Not somewhere I would want to keep a much loved horse
Also beyond me is why on earth the owners turned their horses out together KNOWING there would be a problem. There were ways around this ie staggered turnout as has been suggested
I would be on the look for a new yard where both myself and my horse were respected
allijudd
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Yes you can take legal action through the civil courts as the owner has a duty of care. You could also probably use the new animal welfare act as well. To take action you would need to instruct a specialist equine practice to hande this matter on your behalf.
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unfortunatly no you cant do this...although the yo has a duty of care towards the welfare of the horses, it does not take into consideration the natural behavior of the horses ie to bite kick etc etc..
what you shoulkd have done is made your views known and then moved....
Yes you can take legal action through the civil courts as the owner has a duty of care. You could also probably use the new animal welfare act as well. To take action you would need to instruct a specialist equine practice to hande this matter on your behalf.
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unfortunatly no you cant do this...although the yo has a duty of care towards the welfare of the horses, it does not take into consideration the natural behavior of the horses ie to bite kick etc etc..
what you shoulkd have done is made your views known and then moved....
Cop-Pop
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As the owner of a mare whose personality borders on sociopathic towards other horses who are under 17hh I moved her to a yard where she can have her own field. The yard I moved from was fine - had good facilities etc but her welfare (and the welfare of horses she was with) came first.
While sympathetic I can't believe you are staying at teh yard when your horse has already suffered because of the YO. Surely finding another yard should be your top priority?
While sympathetic I can't believe you are staying at teh yard when your horse has already suffered because of the YO. Surely finding another yard should be your top priority?
dun_in
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To OP
You are fully responsible if your horse gets injured ( - as he inevitably will) if you ever turn him out again on this yard.
Move NOW.
You are fully responsible if your horse gets injured ( - as he inevitably will) if you ever turn him out again on this yard.
Move NOW.
hadfos
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Technically no he made an offer & you accepted it however for £500 you can get his knees shot away
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Only his knees for that price???lmao,i am most disgruntled i would have expected a tad higher up for that price!!
Am sorry to hear about the horses,hope they will all be ok,but....huge mistake sticking dominant horses out with each other as they will not back down!
Technically no he made an offer & you accepted it however for £500 you can get his knees shot away
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Only his knees for that price???lmao,i am most disgruntled i would have expected a tad higher up for that price!!
Am sorry to hear about the horses,hope they will all be ok,but....huge mistake sticking dominant horses out with each other as they will not back down!
hadfos
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To OP
You are fully responsible if your horse gets injured ( - as he inevitably will) if you ever turn him out again on this yard.
Move NOW.
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tad threatening?what is that all about????
To OP
You are fully responsible if your horse gets injured ( - as he inevitably will) if you ever turn him out again on this yard.
Move NOW.
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tad threatening?what is that all about????
itsme123
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To OP
You are fully responsible if your horse gets injured ( - as he inevitably will) if you ever turn him out again on this yard.
Move NOW.
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tad threatening?what is that all about????
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LOL think you read too much into that one
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To OP
You are fully responsible if your horse gets injured ( - as he inevitably will) if you ever turn him out again on this yard.
Move NOW.
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tad threatening?what is that all about????
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LOL think you read too much into that one
hadfos
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To OP
You are fully responsible if your horse gets injured ( - as he inevitably will) if you ever turn him out again on this yard.
Move NOW.
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tad threatening?what is that all about????
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LOL think you read too much into that one
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I apologise,just sent a pm to someone and i have!!lol,apologies again!!Think minus the cocky smilies threw me!
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To OP
You are fully responsible if your horse gets injured ( - as he inevitably will) if you ever turn him out again on this yard.
Move NOW.
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tad threatening?what is that all about????
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LOL think you read too much into that one
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conniegirl
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I have a massively dominant pony to the point where he has attempted to kill a section A, run my section B into the ground, chased the arab over a fence and cut an artery on the 16hher. They All geldings
I am exteremly cautious about turning ANYTHING out with him. He will now after 6 years of extremely careful introductions accept the arab. The section B was accepted after it stopped being cheaky and the 16hher gave him a good booting and they came to a truce. The only ones he has never had a go at is my 14hh hunter pony who is a grumpy old sod and essentialy told him where to stick it and a baby section A (just weaned) that escaped into his field, dont know what signals the baby gave off but my dominant one turned into a puddle of goo and could be found protecting the little one and grooming it and generaly being softer then i have ever seen him be with a pony.
I would never ever turn something new out with him without at least letting them talk over a fence for a few weeks, and both would have back shoes removed and as many people as possible available should it turn nasty and we have to get in there and sort them out (luckily a feed bucket being shaken prooves enough of a distraction that we can get a head collar on him and get control of the situation). And i would NEVER turn a mare out in the field as it would be all out carnage. I do think that the owners of the horses have to accept responsibility for this.
In the OP's situation, i would have kept my lad in untill i could find alternative livery for him as i wouldnt risk him or the other horses. (im lucky enough to own my own land)
Now on the other hand if they had put up electric fenceing to keep the horses separate and the farmer had removed said fencing it would be an entirely different kettle of fish
I am exteremly cautious about turning ANYTHING out with him. He will now after 6 years of extremely careful introductions accept the arab. The section B was accepted after it stopped being cheaky and the 16hher gave him a good booting and they came to a truce. The only ones he has never had a go at is my 14hh hunter pony who is a grumpy old sod and essentialy told him where to stick it and a baby section A (just weaned) that escaped into his field, dont know what signals the baby gave off but my dominant one turned into a puddle of goo and could be found protecting the little one and grooming it and generaly being softer then i have ever seen him be with a pony.
I would never ever turn something new out with him without at least letting them talk over a fence for a few weeks, and both would have back shoes removed and as many people as possible available should it turn nasty and we have to get in there and sort them out (luckily a feed bucket being shaken prooves enough of a distraction that we can get a head collar on him and get control of the situation). And i would NEVER turn a mare out in the field as it would be all out carnage. I do think that the owners of the horses have to accept responsibility for this.
In the OP's situation, i would have kept my lad in untill i could find alternative livery for him as i wouldnt risk him or the other horses. (im lucky enough to own my own land)
Now on the other hand if they had put up electric fenceing to keep the horses separate and the farmer had removed said fencing it would be an entirely different kettle of fish
dun_in
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I didn't mean to sound threatening. I've been in this sort of position myself and ultimately if anybody turns their horse out in a dangerous situation then the person doing so has only themself to blame.
Lots of smileys to show that I'm harmless really. It's just a subject that's very close to my heart, though luckily podge escaped without serious injury when he was attacked.
Lots of smileys to show that I'm harmless really. It's just a subject that's very close to my heart, though luckily podge escaped without serious injury when he was attacked.