Carol Thatcher in Golliwog Scandal

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Calling someone a Golliwog, or ni**er - another fondly remembered 'phrase used to describe black people in the 'good old days', is completely unacceptable.

Don't care where she said it or who heard her, she is a BBC reporter, at the cutting edge of public opinion, are we really to believe that she wasn't aware the term would cause offense.

Can't believe people think it's ok tbh...
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I think we are losing it... common sense, good manners, respect for each other and personal responsability it's being replaced by a one size fits all PC nonsense inacted by stupid people with degrees who should have been taught a usefull trade instead... sadly we are being ruled by morons ... no wonder so many decent hard working people are leaving the country and taking skills and enterprise with them.. how long can this once wonderfull country survive
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perhaps this ressesion will weed out some of the nonsence???? ....
 
Whether its gerneally a hurtful term or not (and it CAN be used in a very hurtful way), surely a decent person would have apologised immediately if they saw that they had hurt someone else's feelings? even if you think the word is perfectly innocuous, if someone else says they are hurt by it wouldnt you say sorry? Maybe i am just too polite....

I cant actually believe that ANY decent person would consider voting for the BNP.
 
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Whether its gerneally a hurtful term or not (and it CAN be used in a very hurtful way), surely a decent person would have apologised immediately if they saw that they had hurt someone else's feelings? even if you think the word is perfectly innocuous, if someone else says they are hurt by it wouldnt you say sorry? Maybe i am just too polite....

I cant actually believe that ANY decent person would consider voting for the BNP.

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people voted Labour surely thats as bad
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It would be interesting to hear what was actually said but according to most news sources it seems the comment which Jo Brand took offense to was apparently made about the French-Congolese tennis player Jo-Wilfried Tsonga.
 
CT should perhaps have known better and been a bit more careful about what she said. Everyone in this country these days must remember that we are currently living in a police state where anything and everything could be overheard and reported to the authorities. We are drawing definite parallels here now with Russia under Stalin.

As reported, this was a PRIVATE chat she was having, and nothing was broadcast to offend the wider public (unlike the disgraceful Ross affair). I know very little about the man, but Adrian Chiles, who professed himself DEEPLY offended by her remark, is hardly in a position to set himself up as an arbiter of morals and good taste, considering his own highly dubious private life recently. And as for Jo Brand, I regard her as a female version of Jonathan Ross and as such someone I would go to considerable lengths to avoid watching.
She is not someone whose opinions I value.

I have had a golliwog for years: am I now a racist and liable to be hauled up before the Courts?

I find it quite disturbing that the gift shop at Sandringham, which has sold gollies for years with no-one complaining about it, feels it had to jump on the PC bandwagon and withdraw them from sale. And how did this decision reach the Press? Couldn't they have been quietly withdrawn from the shop with no-one knowing? No, presumably the shop alerted the Press to the fact that they were apologising for something no-one had been upset by and hoped to gain a PC pat on the back.

And as for that poor nurse who offered some Christian comfort to an elderly patient............

I am sick of this country's obsession with Political Correctness. We are slowly being destroyed by it and the time is long overdue for us to GROW UP.
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I agree but i'm not sure its a question of growing up more a question of reclaiming our traditions, culture and values and that can be done without offending anyone. I personally thought the recent strikes were the beginning of a lack of patience / acceptance of foreign influx, the tide is turning.
 
I'm not sure it is either. Surely it is time we just started using common sense! If a Christian nurse offered to pray for me, I'd be outraged, but I would not report her! I daresay other patients would be comforted by her actions. I am sick of all this telling tales, as with the CT affair. CT, like Jonathan Ross and Jo Brand, is an acquired taste. It genuinely worries me that an unguarded remark during a private conversation can ultimately cost someone their job. Has anyone here read 1984 recently? The parallels are getting more realistic by the day!

Surely if no offence is intended, and none is caused, there is no case. Had CT said to a Congolese tennis player 'oh you look like a golliwog', that would have been stupid, crass and may have offended the player in question and anyone else within earshot. Equally, it might not have. But that is not what happened. Had that happened, yes she should have been sacked simply for being tactless and woefully out of date, but it didn't.

Oh, and it seems black people like to create racial slurs where none are intended. Ainsley Harriott was on The Wright Stuff yesterday claiming that half-cast(e)s were so called because they were partly cast out. Rubbish! It comes from the Spanish word casta, meaning race. Because the word also has connotations of the Indian caste system it has become a derogatory term, but not for the reasons he stated. Do some research!
 
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What worries me about this whole business is that CT made her comment in a private conversation with a colleague. It wasn't broadcast, but it was on BBC premises. Truly, Big Brother is alive and well and living in Broadcasting House.
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but it is the workplace still. if anyone were to say something which i thought was completely inappropriate to me, yes i'd report it.

i thinkt the fact that she refused to apologise if she'd offended anyone screams to me that she clearly intended offensiveness of the term
 
im sorry but if i said something that would have even inadvertently offended people, many many people, i would have the common courtesy to apologise for that. i think that's why this issue stinks.
 
How could it have offended many many people? It was a comment in a private conversation! If any offence has been caused, it is by the person who chose to make that conversation public. Presumably, to damage Carol Thatcher, and not caring if offence was caused in the process. Collateral damage, anyone?
 
If he looked like he had golliwog hair then you can say he has golliwog hair.

She was merely stating a fact.
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However, anything that hastens the demise of the One Show can only be a good thing
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I think she compared the likeness to the golliwog off the Robertson jam which I remember from the 60's and 70's so I do not think it was that offensive as it was part of the culture of the time and she was making a comparison, just as someone could of a white person with blonde hair and big ....blue eyes to Barbie. Are we no longer allowed to mention the past anymore? It is pathetic and people ought to concentrate on more important things in life. What was the saying 'bricks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me'. Obviously they do now as we have become soft, and everyone is accussed, judged and senteced by the media.

it is also funny that it was fine for the BBC to keep playing the race game with president Obama being the first 'black' president during the recent elections. a golliwog is 'black' and there is no way the new president is the same color, yet this was not offensive comparing him to a 'black' person. people play the 'Roots' card when it suits whatever the color, race or religion.


I also see that Mr Clarkson is in trouble for saying Gordon Brown is a 'one eyed scottish idiot' . It is funny that people are complaining as it is offensive to people that have one eye and the scottish, but no one is saying that it is offensive for idiots to be compared to Gordon Brown which is worse than being compared to George W Bush (no one is disagreeing he is an idiot though). I am very offended and shall be writing to the BBC and I hope every other idiot complains
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I often call my BIL 'Jim' off Rosie and Jim as he has dreadlocks, he doesn't find it offensive, I think the real problem with the siutation is the media frenzy sensationalising it. It was a private conversation, CT thought she was speaking in confidence. A lot of people express views in their own homes that other wouldn't find acceptable in public, thats life. This censorship has crossed the boundaries of common sense now.

And as for the person who mentioned the N****R word - that is a whole other ball game and you know it.
 
SOOTY ......... im curious to know why you would be outraged if someone offered to pray for you unless you are of a different religion in which case i would have thought it would be a kind gesture that would be politely declined i think its lovely that someone cares in these blinking crap times !! dont get me wrong i am not religious at all but i am sick of this country going the way it is run by people who have just succeeded to make our lives a complete misery . i just thought it was caring !!!
 
Because on a personal level I find grown adults believing in fairy stories deeply disturbing, but that doesn't mean I think they should lose their job over doing something they think might help someone else. It would freak me out though - I think I may be phobic about deeply religious people.
 
Sooty your comment on Fairy Stories is interesting. Wherever you go in the world people of all races and colours believe in a god or gods - Egyptians, Aztecs, North American Indians, Chinese, Arabs, Eskimos etc.

All over the world we see temples, pyramids, churches built to celebrate that belief.

Does that make you phobic about 90% of the population of the world?
 
I've just watched QI where they have just ripped into Margaret Thatcher. Jo Brand said that she was a device for removing pubic hairs.

This is such double standards by the BBC. Is it OK ridicule and be nasty about Mrs Thatcher on national TV, but not OK for someone to say something in private?

Jo Brand obviously has a real issue with the Thatchers
 
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I've just watched QI where they have just ripped into Margaret Thatcher. Jo Brand said that she was a device for removing pubic hairs.

This is such double standards by the BBC. Is it OK ridicule and be nasty about Mrs Thatcher on national TV, but not OK for someone to say something in private?

Jo Brand obviously has a real issue with the Thatchers

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I just saw that too and found it really quite tasteless and I normally love QI as its funny and clever.
 
JB is left of Chairman Mao. She did make some pointed comment with regard to the government and how wonderful it was for giving people this special Home Warm (?) deal.....which was in fact ripping people off.

I thought she was OK but my view has changed.
 
Amazing how the truly ignorant will always have a chip on their shoulder and instantly take offense where none was intended.

A teacher was recently fired for using the word "Niggardly" (it means selfish by the way). A group of ignorant pinheads complained the word sounded racist and the teacher was fired.

Remember the woman in the restaurant who quipped to her husband as they left, "I wish these bloody people would learn to speak english" and how she was arrested by an off-duty Anglo-Indian detective with a chip on his shoulder.

Pathetic we pander to the truly stupid and undeserving of respect.
 
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A teacher was recently fired for using the word "Niggardly"

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Really?
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That is worrying on two levels; firstly that using any word should cost someone a job, and secondly that such a high level of ignorance of English exists at presumably a fairly high level in an education authority. I do worry...
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I watched a black comedian on Channel 4 recently do a stand up show to what was a mainly black audience. He was talking about the difference between black people and 'n****s'. He used the 'N' word over a 100 times and his audience were roaring with laughter. It made my blood boil because it was blantent double standards. If a white comedian has used that word even once he would never been employed again .... and would probably have been arrested by the police.
Also, there are a number of famous black music artist's that have had top 40 hits with records containing the 'N' word (albeit the 'N' word is edited out for the CD's on general sale but not for downloads etc).
Why would black people want to use that word or include it in their material if it is such an offensive word to thier race and culture? Does anyone know cos I would love to know why?
So if it's ok for Channel 4 to broadcast such an offensive show and it's ok for black artist's to use that word in thier music why the hell has CT been given such harsh treatment and Sandringham Gift Shop stripped of it's Golly (not Gollywog) doll's ???
Seem's to me it's political correctness when it suits :-(
 
Oh so it's 'irony' if said by a black person . . . but a totally offensive word if used by anyone else and a lesser offensive word such as 'gollywog' leads to the sack.
Well it doesn't wash with me . . . . they are either offensive words and not to be used by ANYONE or they are not.
Would the same action be taken if I found the Chris Rock show offensive . . . I think not.
 
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