Cashjumping

From what i understand every class is £10 to enter regardless of height and the prize money goes up depending on the number of entries. There is a points league based on money winners and a final later this year. I haven't been to a show as there isn't any in my area but I will if one comes up and report back.
 
Half the entry fees are given back as prizes, it seems to be gathering momentum, and I have registered as it was free to register before the new year and hopefully some shows will run it locally.
 
Hmm....does seem an interesting alternative to BS, cheaper entry/registration and decent prize money. However there aren't really any show centres near me that do it (one is close enough but doesn't run them often enough for me to bother not being a BS member and converting fully to cashjumping)... but I will keep cashjumping on my radar over the next few months or so...

Especially if BS take more of the crazy pills they seem to be on at the moment....would be a shame though if BS do go a bit doo-lally and change the rules to make it pointless for a lot of amateurs aiming for bigger classes on older horses, as BS is a good way to add value to a horse and is well recognised and provides good permanent records..
 
For a venue it's financial suicide with giving away that kind of cash and no prediction on numbers who will enter. I can see why lots are not doing it. BS is £17 a class roughly and less of a risk.
 
LEC said:
For a venue it's financial suicide with giving away that kind of cash and no prediction on numbers who will enter. I can see why lots are not doing it. BS is £17 a class roughly and less of a risk.
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But the costs for the venues are significantly less, no affiliation fees, one judge etc etc & with BS there is no guarantee of numbers either but more outlay. With CJ if there are less entries then they will have to give less in prize money, & there outlay was less to begin with.
 
Sounds very interesting, thanks for all you input. There are a couple of venues running CJ near me, slightly further than I would like to travel but definitely doable.
 
merlinsquest said:
But the costs for the venues are significantly less, no affiliation fees, one judge etc etc & with BS there is no guarantee of numbers either but more outlay. With CJ if there are less entries then they will have to give less in prize money, & there outlay was less to begin with.
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But unaffiliated is even cheaper as no prize money!
 
But how many people do you know jumping 1.40? Unaff struggles with numbers for 1.10! 75 and 80cm take the money.
 
merlinsquest said:
But the costs for the venues are significantly less, no affiliation fees, one judge etc etc & with BS there is no guarantee of numbers either but more outlay. With CJ if there are less entries then they will have to give less in prize money, & there outlay was less to begin with.
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No prize money which automatically gives away 50%!! Btw costs of running BSJA are not crazy though judge and course builder is needed. But no guarantees of quality with cash jumping. Btw friend looked into it and was told cafe should support the day, as my friend said she runs an equestrian centre with a cafe facility not a cafe with equestrian tagged on.
 
LEC said:
But how many people do you know jumping 1.40? Unaff struggles with numbers for 1.10! 75 and 80cm take the money.
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Having been following the development of CJ it seems that there is a demand for the bigger classes, especially with the new BS leagues coming in people jumping 1.30 will be able to & then drop down if need be without being penalised. Under the new BS leagues once you have jumped a bigger track you cannot drop back down, you are stuck. Lots of pros seem to be signing up too, they can now jump for prize money for a smaller entry fee, BS the bigger classes entries are much more expensive. It seems CJ has seen a gap in the market & are aiming at everyone, 70 & 80 up to 1.40. I really hope it takes off & it seems to be a success so far.
 
For those people who are doing cash jumping who are also BS members how does cash jumping fit with the BS rule about maximum allowed prize money at unaffiliated shows as it seems to me that with sufficient starters the first prize could easily be in excess of the BS allowed amount?
 
merlinsquest said:
But unaf doesn't usually offer classes up to 1.40...
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Because there isn't a market for it, in reality for the year ending 31 July 2013 there were only 452 riders in the whole country that got ranking points, which you get from jumping 1.30+ on Grade B+ . That isn't a lot and spread that throughout the country and you are going to have very limited entries in the larger classes so they might be jumping for one prize of £10. When you read FB people are complaining about only getting £100 for a 1.30 - they aren't going to jump for £10.

I still think CJ is a good idea - as long as the Show Centres get the volume.
 
crabbymare said:
For those people who are doing the higher classes how does cash jumping fit with the BS rule about maximum allowed prize money at unaffiliated shows as it seems to me that with sufficient starters the first prize could easily be in excess of the BS allowed amount?
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That rule no longer exisits
 
The cost of running an affiliated show can be approx £150 for 2 judges and the same again for a course builder. You may get lucky and have judges at £50 each but thats a rarity. For cashjumping most centres have the skills to judge and coursebuild, in fact a lot of centres are run by Coursebuilders and / or judges, so costs are significantly lower. Plus you have your affilaition fee and levy for the number of riders.
So far, at it is only the first few weeks, there have been excellent numbers at the shows and one told anyone the cafe should support the show and before you make these comments you ought to get your facts right.
You get increased entries, 54% of the classes so far are not having to pay out all prize money, so that goes back to the show. When they put on £15 and £20 entry fees that then becomes very profitable. This results in concessions at the centre improving their profits, ie; bar, cafe, on site saddlery show, photgrapher etc. So all in all the overall days profit goes up, and any centre that doesnt take all those factors into consideration has not given Cashjumping any real serios thought.
Cashjumping is not going to suit all centres or shows and all riders, it has been set up to provide a low cost competiton that we expect BS riders will use when there is nothing else on in their immediate area. We still expect that they will jump BS for the double clears etc, and the other bonus point is that after one show BS got 4 new members who found that jumping BS was not the Holy Grail, and they could hold there own.
If Centres dont want to join up thats fine, we are limiting the number of centres so that clashes of dates will be avoided and all riders should eventually have a show every weekend within easy travelling distance for themselves, therefore again reducing their costs.
 
I looked at it for a friend I teach, as a cheaper alternative to jumping BS on a ticket. But I saw someone well placed in a league at quite a low height, who does very well in BS at bigger heights.

So why would I bother to go? If that is the general standard at the lower heights, I might just as well send that person my money, save my diesel, and cut out the middle man altogether!
 
dieseldog said:
What happens once they jump out, do they move up a height?
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We have three grades 0-500, 0-1500, and then Open, so they can stay at same height or move up, but it does mean by middle of summer it should have levelled itself up. We are not going to make someone who has bought a schoolmates go above what they are comfortable with, but as they move up that's when the better prize money kicks in
 
LEC said:
No prize money which automatically gives away 50%!! Btw costs of running BSJA are not crazy though judge and course builder is needed. But no guarantees of quality with cash jumping
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CJ have an approvals process for coursebuilders and presumably judges as well I believe, BS officials are automatically approved
 
I am seriously considering it but after a quick look the only centre near me would not be the sort of centre I would want to jump.

It wouldn't take long for horses to jump out of classes if there are a few entries in 4 bs shows my boy has clocked up over £250 already.

Might have to go and see how the CJ is run before I make a decision either way...
 
Bryan Shear said:
Theory says that these riders will soon jump out of the class, it was all ways going to be, as we have had to start everyone on zero winnings
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OK that sounds better, I can see that would make sense as you can't use BS winnings as a guide in a new system.

I just wonder at people who feel the need to win at lower levels when they are capable of so much more, but then everyone loves to win and if there is nothing to stop you, why not...
 
The reports from the CJ shows so far have been really good... the first one near me is next month, I'm registered and looking forward to it :)
 
MagicMelon said:
None in the whole of Scotland, so quite how they can call their championships "National", I don't know! As usual, we miss out on yet more new ventures up here.
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I think I saw a Scottish centre had come on board last week? Keep checking the website as more centres are signing up every week. I think they are aiming to have 50 on board by the end of March & are regularly contacting centres to get them to sign up so I think as it grows it will truly become National. None yet particularly near me either, but I think over time there will be , I hope so any way as it looks to be a good thing.
 
The closest one to me unfortunately is the kind of place you couldn't pay me to jump at. I hear it's had a revamp, it would need it, but it's still run by the same awful people. A further away venue is at least a BS and BE venue so I would trust their courses. The rubbish venue never seem to have accurate measuring for heights or distances!
 
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