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I think all dogs of mixed breeding with no papers should be castrated/speyed and it makes me blooming angry when people dont bother and more mongrels (probably not PC but dont know what is the right word) are brought into the world. Bloody irresponsible. It isnt expensive is it? So why not do it?
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And that goes for cats too! Male or female.

I have always had mine done. Not my mastiffs but as soon as i knew i could not use my dog for breeding i had him done.
 
I disagree..ish

I wouldnt be without my two mongrels, and far prefer mixed breeds to pure breds
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But I do hate indiscriminate/irresponsible breeding of any animal pedigree or "mutt"
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Personally love mongrels - am one myself! Have a pedigree dog who was neutered at first opportunity. Was never going to breed from him (he was runt of litter) so why leave him permanently frustrated? Have met a few men though who feel it's there nuts are being removed rather than dog's - and refuse to let animal be done. Doh!
 
I'm not against mongrels at all. To me a dog's a dog, pedigree or not. I just think it is really irresponsible to keep a dog entire unless it is going to be a decent stud dog. Bit like stallions reallly!
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And some men!!!
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I read a piece in a dog magazine the other day at the vet's, and was quite annoyed when some rescue person or other stated "crossbreeds and mixed breeds have much better temperaments than pedigrees". What a stupid, sweeping, and blatantly untrue pile of cr*p! But I do think more people should be neutering their dogs. There are even schemes which will pay all or some of the cost, and to be honest if you can't afford the £50 or so in the first place, you shouldn't even have a dog - they cost a lot more than that during their lifetime.
 
I'm a bit of a militant on this subject, apologies in advance
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.Wish we could have a blanket ban on all dog and cat (and a lot of horse)breeding of ALL breeds/types for 12 months,there are so many irresponsible back yard breeders in this country. And I don't see why even the responsible breeders have to have litters at the moment when there are thousands of healthy dogs euthanised every day
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. I know it's never going to happen though. But more castrating and speying would definitely help wouldn't it. Some people still believe the old wives tale about your bitch having a litter before she is speyed?!

Yes off with their bits
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, much better for the animals concerned, no excuse for not doing it is there .
 
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I think all dogs of mixed breeding with no papers should be castrated/speyed and it makes me blooming angry when people dont bother and more mongrels (probably not PC but dont know what is the right word) are brought into the world. Bloody irresponsible. It isnt expensive is it? So why not do it?
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And that goes for cats too! Male or female.

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Even our lovely patterdales???!!!!

They are a breed not recognised by the KC so therefore they have no papers whatsoever, but are becoming increasingly popular, our last litter of 9 were all sold by 3weeks old and I probably could have sold the litter 3 times, I had that many enquiries!!
I will add that ours are bred for conformation, temperament and are all superb workers for ratting around the farm!! Although most went to pet homes!!

My husband is also thinking of getting a new gun dog, his non papered breed of choice is a 'Sprocker' Springer x Cocker, as this 'cross bred mongrel' is an extremely good working dog!!

I agree that there are a lot of unwanted litters around and that a lot of dogs shouldn't be bred from as they are unsuitable but actually there are more health issues is a lot of the KC recognised breeds, having seen 2 of my husbands pure bred dogs have to be PTS due to hereditary problems that were evident in that particular line and even when the problems were dicovered their breeder carried on breeding as they were show winner, never mind the fact that the didn't make old bones as they lost the feeling in their back ends by the age of 7!!!!!

I do agree with cats though, they breed like rabbits, and there are way too many around.... Having seen my old boss drown some of their litter of kittens ( I was disgusted and thought it was a terrible thing to do even if they were unwanted!!)
 
Why Sprockers?? I really dont understand people who muck about with the breeding of two perfectly good working dogs namely the Springer ( which my daughter has) and the W Cocker which we have. The difference in sze between the working strain of these two super dogs is small. For heavens sake choose one or the other according to your requirements. In fact W Cockers are now very much in demand and I believe now outstripping Springers for Field work.

And then there are Labradoodles - for God's sake why!!!!i
 
I don't agree with indiscriminate breeding, but nor am I against people breeding crossbreds. So long as its a sensible cross, both parents are good specimens of their type, and there is a reasonable demand for the offspring, I don't see anything wrong with it. If its done responsibly, it can improve on the final product, the same way tbs are often crossed with native types to produce a classy competition horse.

What I am against is people keeping animals entire because they can't be bothered to spend the money to get them neutered, and allowing them to breed willy nilly, it is just downright irresponsible.
 
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Why Sprockers?? I really dont understand people who muck about with the breeding of two perfectly good working dogs namely the Springer ( which my daughter has) and the W Cocker which we have. The difference in sze between the working strain of these two super dogs is small. For heavens sake choose one or the other according to your requirements. In fact W Cockers are now very much in demand and I believe now outstripping Springers for Field work.

And then there are Labradoodles - for God's sake why!!!!i

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Why not???

If they are fit healthy and good at what they are bred for, also by breeding a hybrid you can often breed out any inbred problems that are common to a particular breed.
Labradoodles are actually are really good for people who are allergic to dogs and I think (Correct me if I'm wrong) they are becoming popular a helper dogs to disabled people that are allergic to dogs!)

Same in any animal my OH breeds pure bred cattle but has considered x breeding with another pure bred to obtain the 'hybrid vigour' that you get from a x bred, his cattle are prone to a hereditary disease that is particular to that breed. He could get rid of completely by x-breeding, with another pure bred, but could then breed in other problems from the other breed.. He used to breed Belguim blues but gave up as he was so fed up with the fact that they needed cesarian's regularly as they were bred so big they couldn't give birth without help!!

I am not against pure breds as a lot of ours are pure bred, our old gun dog was a working Lab, we have a Rotti, Border Collie and Border Terrier. The patterdales I would consider pure bred patts but that is debatable as they are generally considered a cross bred terrier, in fact the only proper x we have is my old boy who is a GSD x (Dobi possibly? He's a rescue) and funily enough doesn't have the problem hips that a lot of GSD's do have!!

I don't see a problem in crossing breeds so long as it has been bred carefully and not just using any old cute dog!!

I agree that anyone who's dog hasn't got a good conformation, or has questionable temperament should not be bred from, also agree that it would be preferable to neuter dogs who are not planned to be bred from.
But a blanket ban on any cross breds is completely unnessesary and rather short sighted, new breeds are created by crossing exisiting breeds and fixing a type through careful breeding!!
 
Well nothing you have said convinces me I'm afraid. If the shedding of hair causes a problem there are three sizes of poodle available - and spaniels shed minimally if at all - there must be other breeds they can choose from eg the Bedlington terrier without mixing the breeds.

Sprockers can't be justified in my view - the problems that can come through in breeding are common to both cockers and springers and the way to avoid them is to choose pups from tested parents and not breed indiscriminently
 
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Well nothing you have said convinces me I'm afraid. If the shedding of hair causes a problem there are three sizes of poodle available - and spaniels shed minimally if at all - there must be other breeds they can choose from eg the Bedlington terrier without mixing the breeds.

Sprockers can't be justified in my view - the problems that can come through in breeding are common to both cockers and springers and the way to avoid them is to choose pups from tested parents and not breed indiscriminently

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I have since checked with OH and Labradoodles were specifically bred as guide / helper dogs for blind or disabled people who were allergic to dog hair. So I think they are a very well justified X bred dog!!
I know you do get some other kind of dogs doing that job but the vast majority are Labs or retreivers so the x of a poodle means they don't shed hair and retain the trainability of the Labrador. Which if you are blind and allergic to dog hair means you aren't constantly hoovering up whilst sneezing and wheezing and you've got a canine pal who will help you find everything, and take you out to the shops without getting you run over!!!!

As for Sprockers well each to their own really, OH fancies one as he has seen some good ones working. Not that cockers and springers aren't good just he fancies the cross bred version!!

My point was what does it matter if you cross 2 good breeds so long as they are bred responsibly and are good at what they do!!
 
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