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I do believe this horse was being ridden as a 2 year old as it was being ridden February/March 2011. Considering as it is riding 4 now it is not hard to work that out. I also observed she was being shown last summer bitted rather than in a halter. I believe this horse has stifle problems too.

The trouble with people who buy youngsters but have never dealt with them is they are unaware of how soft the bones still are and they are still growing, and how unbalanced they are. Jumping anything near a metre with a 3 year old is ridiculous. Do you know you are risking splints? Do you know the bones will bend rather than break at that age?

If you want to "vary her education" stick to keeping her feet on the ground and using trotting poles, then raising them one end, circles, canter poles later, figure of eights, serpentines and i strongly recommend leg yielding. You are doing far too much with her and soon she will get bored and not jump at all. Maybe you should concentrate on getting yourself balanced and her to slow down. Spurs on a 3 year old is unnecessary especially one on the forehand. Get her off by using lots of transitions up and down but responsive not rushed and alot of pole work and circles to help with balance.

Take her out to educate her and let her see things. She is a baby and therefore needs to be treated like one. You would not teach a human baby to walk before it could roll over and you will not get 5k for a horse that is bored before its time, injured and dead in the sides from over use of spurs.
 
Karsumatra said:
I can't believe all the comments about improving the riding - loads of people who don't ride even half as nicely as the OP post vids up for CC without the same response! I say that as someone who thinks lunge/schoolmaster lessons are fantastic for anybody; even with that in mind I don't think the OP NEEDS them any more than most riders (although if the previous poster was suggesting these as something else to think about and enjoy while waiting for the horse to mature a little then I agree that would make sense :) )

I know the key issue here is the age of the horse and if I am honest I personally wouldn't be doing so much so early if she was mine (would prob just be starting to bring back into work after turning away) but I'm no expert and therefore wouldn't be so quick to judge either. As somebody else pointed out, rightly or wrongly a lot of people will be doing likewise to prepare horses for BE 4yo classes (or for that matter other young horse classes/futurities in different sports/disciplines).

In any case she looks like a great horse and I hope the OP will continue to post updates!
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^^^^^ Agree totally!

Can't believe this post! The OP is probably a better rider than the majority on here! Yes there are areas for improvement (aren't there always?!) but overall she looks like she's doing a great job. She is obviously getting lots of help from experienced people and keeping the work varied. As others have said, to be able to do the 4 yr old classes they need to working at this level. Whilst I agree, horses shouldn't be worked too hard until they are physically developed, I don't fully agree with giving them a few months off because they will go stale. I think horses like routine and regular exercise is good for them. In the end of the day they spend 23 hours a day being a horse and 1 hour being ridden!!
 
I think your horse is lovely and you ride her very well :)

Have you given her time off though as you said she has been at boot camp? Everyone does things differently, I personally wouldn't do much more than hack a 3 year old for a bit and introduce it to life - but like I said everyones different!

I know it's tempting to get on and 'make' a horse when you have had it from a yearling but remember to look at the bigger picture. If you are planning on keeping her don't rush her, you want her to last and not break down on you!
 
charlie76 said:
I can't see the video so can't comment on this horse or rider. The only thing I will add however is that the horse is being aimed at four year old classes, now whether you agree with these or not, to be able to do this the horse will have to be in a decent amount of work in its late three year old/ early four year old months as it will be expected to run at be90 level. If she was a dressage horse or show jumper working towards four year old classes she would be doing just as much work.
Now whether you agree with these classes is a different matter but there will be rising four year olds all over being prepared for these classes. The op states she works in an event yard, I would imagine there are others in the yard of the same age working along the same lines.
To be competitive and safe on a four year old in theses classes a certain amount of prep has had to go into it.
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Exactly. Now, right or wrong, there are probably thousands of horses being aimed at 4yo classes doing this much work in their 3yo year.

If people don't think it is acceptable why aren't they lobbying BE and BS to abolish 4yo classes or slightly lower the level so this amount of work is not required to be competetive in them. Perhaps you all are, I don't know. And I totally understand that just because the classes exist you don't have to enter them but I imagine on a pro yard it is totally normal to do so and so the OP is just going with the flow.

OP, my CC for you is this. You have the instruction of a pro at your finger tips, don't ask random people on a forum for advice when you have (presumably) some of the best advice in the country at your beck and call. For your own sanity rather than anything else.

Lovely horse, I wish I could ride half as well as you and good luck:)
 
Supanova said:
Also can i just clarify - is the horse 4 in 2012 or 3 in 2012? I was under the impression it was 4 this year but perhaps i'm wrong.
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4 this year :) I think a lot of people are taking the OP at face value, which is fine, but I think other opinions (including my own) are taking into account previous posts here and photos/videos from fb etc.
 
this has been dead for sometime as i imagine but i've only just come home.

DeaDea said:
I do believe this horse was being ridden as a 2 year old as it was being ridden February/March 2011. Considering as it is riding 4 now it is not hard to work that out. I also observed she was being shown last summer bitted rather than in a halter. I believe this horse has stifle problems too.

The trouble with people who buy youngsters but have never dealt with them is they are unaware of how soft the bones still are and they are still growing, and how unbalanced they are. Jumping anything near a metre with a 3 year old is ridiculous. Do you know you are risking splints? Do you know the bones will bend rather than break at that age?

If you want to "vary her education" stick to keeping her feet on the ground and using trotting poles, then raising them one end, circles, canter poles later, figure of eights, serpentines and i strongly recommend leg yielding. You are doing far too much with her and soon she will get bored and not jump at all. Maybe you should concentrate on getting yourself balanced and her to slow down. Spurs on a 3 year old is unnecessary especially one on the forehand. Get her off by using lots of transitions up and down but responsive not rushed and alot of pole work and circles to help with balance.

Take her out to educate her and let her see things. She is a baby and therefore needs to be treated like one. You would not teach a human baby to walk before it could roll over and you will not get 5k for a horse that is bored before its time, injured and dead in the sides from over use of spurs.
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1) i do belive this horse was not being ridden as a two year old? where have you got feb2011 from? she was backed in late april/may2011 when she was 3. as i said before she was hacked once/twice a week untill sept with weeks off inbetween as i was doing my Alevels. she does more walking than that in the field. she then had sept/october off as i had no saddle and then moved away for a month. as i said before. SHE HAS NOT BEEN IN HARD WORK SINCE APRIL OR EVEN FEBRUARY AS YOU SEEM TO THINK.

2)she was shown in a halter as a 3year old. not unusual. not uncommon. shes not native so i cant technically show her in a rope halter although i had done as a 2 year old. so your slating me for bitting a 3 year old?

3) she does have UFP. which upon vets instruction would improve with work. another reason for being backed. i was at a point with this that i would try anything to help her? do you have any idea how stressful it is for horse and owner when the horse is stuck in their field stable with a hind leg stuck out behind them in spasm unable to move and all else is failing? vets cant do anything about it if you call them out and physio's take days to come out to you? it has worked and fingers crossed we've not had a problem with it since shes been working since nov.

4)where have you got this idea from that i have no experience with youngsters? you seem to be making things up to prove im neglecting my horse? if i am the only person riding and jumping a horse who is almost four i look forward to my 4yo classes since i'm the only horse abusing person who'll be entering them im bound to come home with a rossie which tbh its the only reason i do this :D (sarcastic, btw incase some of y'all want to jump down my throat)

5)thank you for the bit of cc you did give, although i do already do that. we do transitions, circles serpentines ect but it would have been an extremly long video had i included the entire content of a schooling session :) please understand that this video was taken in december it is now march and she had only been in work just over a month. no its not perfect. i never said it was. she was exceptionally lazy and backwards and i'd prefere not to be booting her around the school to get her to move. whatever your opinion on spurs is your opinion im not taking that away from you, but it has and did work for her, i now no longer school her in spurs shes more forward in body and mind now so she can now learn leg yeild ect

6) she does go out to see things? i'll list for you since you might have missed it since you were totally focused on me abusing my young horse with a few of the others on here :) shes shown inhand as a 2 and three year old including some big show grounds, she hacks around the farm, on the roads and around the woods shes met everything, tractors, trailers, horse boxes, arctic lorries, horse and carts, boy racers, motorbikes, push bikes, cows, pigs, geese,dogs, children, and her favorite - the ice cream van. she goes to shows and is ridden around the lorry park and along the horse walks, she goes to the beach and paddles in the sea, she goes for inhand walks and leads off other horses. so shes probably quite well travelled for a young horse

7)if you read the post regarding how much i could sell her for you might (or might not) have seen it was based on a horse of her type being sold at the end of the year/next year based on everything going to plan. last i checked the list above would not make her bored nore was she dead to the leg, she was lazy and stubborn, not dead to the leg.

im going to leave that one there because after biting my tonuge reading alot of the posts there were a few things i needed to point out again. Breathe.

Supanova said:
^^^^^ Agree totally!

Can't believe this post! The OP is probably a better rider than the majority on here! Yes there are areas for improvement (aren't there always?!) but overall she looks like she's doing a great job. She is obviously getting lots of help from experienced people and keeping the work varied. As others have said, to be able to do the 4 yr old classes they need to working at this level. Whilst I agree, horses shouldn't be worked too hard until they are physically developed, I don't fully agree with giving them a few months off because they will go stale. I think horses like routine and regular exercise is good for them. In the end of the day they spend 23 hours a day being a horse and 1 hour being ridden!!
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thank you, yes i agree there are room for improvments which is what i asked for. she did have 6weeks/2months off for various reasons and in that time it cost me tonnes in new fencing, she gets bored easily and breaking fences and causing mayhem is her boredom breaker unfortunatly! she now has 'quiet weeks' where she'll perhaps be ridden for 6 out fourteen days plodding about and hacking to keep her busy and out of her stable or she'll be out in the field. plus im going to have to correct you. she spends 23hours and 20mins per day being a horse. she only gets ridden for 40 mins ;) unless shes being particullarly horrible then she only gets to spend 40mins of the day being a horse - i try to ride her for the rest so maybe she'll be good next time ;) (again note sarcasm)



Supanova said:
Also can i just clarify - is the horse 4 in 2012 or 3 in 2012? I was under the impression it was 4 this year but perhaps i'm wrong.
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shes four this year :)

jessie7 said:
I think your horse is lovely and you ride her very well :)

Have you given her time off though as you said she has been at boot camp? Everyone does things differently, I personally wouldn't do much more than hack a 3 year old for a bit and introduce it to life - but like I said everyones different!

I know it's tempting to get on and 'make' a horse when you have had it from a yearling but remember to look at the bigger picture. If you are planning on keeping her don't rush her, you want her to last and not break down on you!
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thank you, yes she had 6weeks/two months off sept/october for various reasons so she has been at 'boot camp' since then, i use this term loosley in that if pip were human and had her own way she'd be sat at home, eating takeaways on the sofa all day, watching jeremy kyle and living off the dole! so anything compared to her previous life (prior to coming to work) of walking round the woods a couple of times a week, spending saturday afternoons tied up at the pub with kids fussing over her and drinking fizzy drinks or riding to the ice cream van would be considered boot camp - she does only work 4-5 times a week for about 40/50mins :) she also has 'quiet weeks' where she lives the jeremy kyle life style ;)

jesstickle said:
Exactly. Now, right or wrong, there are probably thousands of horses being aimed at 4yo classes doing this much work in their 3yo year.

If people don't think it is acceptable why aren't they lobbying BE and BS to abolish 4yo classes or slightly lower the level so this amount of work is not required to be competetive in them. Perhaps you all are, I don't know. And I totally understand that just because the classes exist you don't have to enter them but I imagine on a pro yard it is totally normal to do so and so the OP is just going with the flow.

OP, my CC for you is this. You have the instruction of a pro at your finger tips, don't ask random people on a forum for advice when you have (presumably) some of the best advice in the country at your beck and call. For your own sanity rather than anything else.

Lovely horse, I wish I could ride half as well as you and good luck:)
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thank you! i have learnt my lesson - in future i will either not post anything or remember to keep a diary of my horses workload video every session and post these in videos :) although i wont be posting these untill she is atleast 6 years old! but seriously - thank you for all the constructive points i did recieve and i hope i have put these into practice and will add videos of these into the afformentioned 6 year old video! :)
 
Cant be bothered to trawl through all the bitching posts. Most horses being done professionally are started at 3. Know lots of eventers doing little SJ rounds at 3 then being turned away. Your horse is 4 this year so looks fine to me.

Sorry cant watch your vid - I can not bare slow motion videos, but from what I can see she is cracking, moves really nicely.
 
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