CCTV Camera for Ifor Williams

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Hi,

I purchased camera system for my trailer, but there isn't instructions how/where to connect the power cable for the camera???

Please if anyone has installed one, please help me and tell me what to do!!! :confused:
 
Probably the best way is to have twin sockets on the car as used for caravans and use the constant 12v via the grey socket to provide power

Alternately run your own from the cars fuse box, as you will have to run a cable to the car for the video unless it's wireless
 
Oona said:
I purchased camera system for my trailer
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Dont shoot the messenger but here is the law ...

It is illegal for a driver to watch or be able to see an internal view of the trailer whilst driving

This does not apply to reversing cameras when going backwards
 
Oona said:
Hi,

I purchased camera system for my trailer, but there isn't instructions how/where to connect the power cable for the camera???

Please if anyone has installed one, please help me and tell me what to do!!! :confused:
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Have you thought about contacting the manufacturer??

What I suggest is to have a power lead going from the cars battery through the internal area of the car and then a plug and play type connector, so when you hitch up you just connect the camera to the connector . Or maybe through your electric point on the tow bar.

An auto electrician is probably what you need in this case.

I will always have CCTV now in my box, not the caravan but when an animal is involved then I will and do. Its good to keep an eye on them specially if its a bad traveler.
 
I have the CCTV camera in my Ifor Williams purchased and fitted by them - the power cable connects to the interior light.
 
It is illegal for a driver to watch or be able to see an internal view of the trailer whilst driving
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So that is what I am doing wrong in my car,:confused: watching by 2 t v's while driving , I wondered what all the honking and brake screeching was .


will just watching them at traffic lights in future :D
 
ROG said:
Dont shoot the messenger but here is {ROG's interpretation of} the law ...

It is illegal for a driver to watch or be able to see an internal view of the trailer whilst driving

This does not apply to reversing cameras when going backwards
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Except there are no prosecutions on record, your sat nav is more distracting and all double deckers have CCTV fitted as standard, as when you can kill LOADS of people its legal
 
Jen_Cots said:
Except there are no prosecutions on record, your sat nav is more distracting and all double deckers have CCTV fitted as standard, as when you can kill LOADS of people its legal
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So true he seems to be on a one man crusade to convert anyone who mentions CCTV in vehicles.

How many of us stick to the rules/ law??
  • speeding
  • license plates
  • custom vehicles
  • HGV decoration lights
  • use of mobiles while driving
  • other forms of distraction
the list goes on
 
I am going to make this CRYSTAL CLEAR

It is not my interpretation of the law - it is the law

This has been confirmed by member geebee45 who quoted the law in another thread on this issue

As it has been pointed out before - there are exemptions for certain vehicles such as public service vehicles (buses)

For those who have an agenda where they do not want to believe the law is correct because they feel it is not in their best interests then get the law changed through your MPs

I can TELL you what the law is - I cannot TELL you to obey it

YOU now know what the legalities are so there is no excuse if you wish to ignore them and get caught

Many are unaware of this law so how is it wrong to inform of such especially when the authorities will say that not knowing the law is no excuse?

PS - the same law is used to prosecute those looking at PCs, DVDs or TVs when driving
Whether any driver using an internal CCTV to watch horses when driving has actually been caught doing so I have no idea and if they were it would most likely to be dealt with by a magistrates court where records are not easily available on line
 
ROG you seem to haunt every post on CCTV with this nonsense, you seem to not care about horse welfare, which makes me wonder why you persist in stalking this issue on a horse forum?

Should I get stopped I will mention double deckers, section 109 of the RVR and fight this in a court of law if necessary

My horse welfare is more important than some forum users "opinion" and citing another forum user's opinion makes you look like a joke


In a court of law no jury is going to think a static CCTV image is more distracting than a sat nav.

OP - wire into the light!!


This is the actual law which is handy should you get queried:
The law - Section 109 of The Road Vehicles (Construction and use) Regulations 1986

Television sets
109.—(1) No person shall drive, or cause or permit to be driven, a motor vehicle on a road, if the driver is in such a position as to be able to see, whether directly or by reflection, a television receiving apparatus or other cinematographic apparatus used to display anything other than information—

(a) about the state of the vehicle or its equipment; .
(b) about the location of the vehicle and the road on which it is located; .
(c) to assist the driver to see the road adjacent to the vehicle; or .
(d) to assist the driver to reach his destination. .
(2) In this regulation “television receiving apparatus” means any cathode ray tube carried on a vehicle and on which there can be displayed an image derived from a television broadcast, a recording or a camera or computer.

Web link: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/109/made
 
Jen_Cots said:
ROG you seem to haunt every post on CCTV with this nonsense, you seem to not care about horse welfare, which makes me wonder why you persist in stalking this issue on a horse forum?

Should I get stopped I will mention double deckers, section 109 of the RVR and fight this in a court of law if necessary

My horse welfare is more important than some forum users "opinion" and citing another forum user's opinion makes you look like a joke


In a court of law no jury is going to think a static CCTV image is more distracting than a sat nav.

OP - wire into the light!!


This is the actual law which is handy should you get queried:
The law - Section 109 of The Road Vehicles (Construction and use) Regulations 1986

Television sets
109.—(1) No person shall drive, or cause or permit to be driven, a motor vehicle on a road, if the driver is in such a position as to be able to see, whether directly or by reflection, a television receiving apparatus or other cinematographic apparatus used to display anything other than information—

(a) about the state of the vehicle or its equipment; .
(b) about the location of the vehicle and the road on which it is located; .
(c) to assist the driver to see the road adjacent to the vehicle; or .
(d) to assist the driver to reach his destination. .
(2) In this regulation “television receiving apparatus” means any cathode ray tube carried on a vehicle and on which there can be displayed an image derived from a television broadcast, a recording or a camera or computer.

Web link: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/109/made
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Well done for citing the law which you can get prosecuted under - that shows it is not my opinion
The other member, geebee45, was responsible for bringing prosecutions under this law so it is not his opinion either - it is LAW as you have just pointed out

It is only those who do not want this law who are not happy when I post it.

I post laws on driving licences in various threads but nobody objects to those which shows it is only those with an agenda who do not like me posting the law on CCTVs.
 
ROG you show complete disregard for horse welfare and seem to have your own agenda here

I have cited the law, and I think I can defend myself under this

Clearly you have never seen a horse in agony with its leg sheared off from hitting tarmac at 50 mph - I have

Maybe if you'd had such a life experience you would perhaps post a more refined post that helped forum users defend themselves were an official to challenge the use of static CCTV which is operating like a mirror for the driver

The law is grey not black and white on this issue
 
Jen_Cots said:
ROG you show complete disregard for horse welfare and seem to have your own agenda here

I have cited the law, and I think I can defend myself under this

Clearly you have never seen a horse in agony with its leg sheared off from hitting tarmac at 50 mph - I have

Maybe if you'd had such a life experience you would perhaps post a more refined post that helped forum users defend themselves were an official to challenge the use of static CCTV which is operating like a mirror for the driver

The law is grey not black and white on this issue
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As I said before ... you can think whatever you like - no laws on how you think !!

It could be inferred from your argument that those who do not have internal CCTV are putting their horses at great risk and if that was the case then I am sure DEFRA and other animal safety bodies would be stronly suggesting that they are fitted for the driver to see when driving - but they do not - coulld it be that its illegal and they would be encouraging an illegal activity ..... Of course it would !!

If you are so convinced that you are in the right then simply get the attention of a traffic police officer or pull into a VOSA checkpoint and state that you are looking at the internal CCTV screen whilst driving and see what happens ..... if you are right then nothing will happen
 
Jen_Cots said:
ROG you seem to haunt every post on CCTV with this nonsense, you seem to not care about horse welfare, which makes me wonder why you persist in stalking this issue on a horse forum?

Should I get stopped I will mention double deckers, section 109 of the RVR and fight this in a court of law if necessary

My horse welfare is more important than some forum users "opinion" and citing another forum user's opinion makes you look like a joke


In a court of law no jury is going to think a static CCTV image is more distracting than a sat nav.

OP - wire into the light!!


This is the actual law which is handy should you get queried:
The law - Section 109 of The Road Vehicles (Construction and use) Regulations 1986

Television sets
109.—(1) No person shall drive, or cause or permit to be driven, a motor vehicle on a road, if the driver is in such a position as to be able to see, whether directly or by reflection, a television receiving apparatus or other cinematographic apparatus used to display anything other than information—

(a) about the state of the vehicle or its equipment; .
(b) about the location of the vehicle and the road on which it is located; .
(c) to assist the driver to see the road adjacent to the vehicle; or .
(d) to assist the driver to reach his destination. .
(2) In this regulation “television receiving apparatus” means any cathode ray tube carried on a vehicle and on which there can be displayed an image derived from a television broadcast, a recording or a camera or computer.

Web link: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/109/made
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like^
 
ROG we are never going to agree and I think you are rather callous and seem to care more about paper pushing than horses. Genuinely I think you are putting your livestock at risk without cameras.

However as for your suggestion - I would be rather stupid to go looking for a fight with VOSA.

However I am prepared to defend the use of static cctv, since it is like using a mirror. In fact if I could rig up a mirror to the back of my lorry, that would be fine, but a CCTV image is not - you can see why the law is grey

I would love to get my hands on a dispensation for CCTV like the bus drivers, however this doesn't seem to legally exist?
 
Looking at this with my advanced driver hat on ....

I would not condone the distraction that this could cause when the driver should be concentrating on the driving - I also have a feeling that this is why the law was made

I also think that the horses or livestock should be kept an eye on whilst on the move which is why the law allows for the use of CCTV by a passenger

The sensible thing would be to have a passenger, even a youngster, who could monitor the horse when on the move and let the driver know if they thought there was an issue so the driver could pull over somewhere safe to sort it
 
Oona said:
Hi,

I purchased camera system for my trailer, but there isn't instructions how/where to connect the power cable for the camera???

Please if anyone has installed one, please help me and tell me what to do!!! :confused:
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I hope you got your problem sorted and apologies for this thread going off the original issue
 
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ROG said:
Looking at this with my advanced driver hat on ....

I would not condone the distraction that this could cause when the driver should be concentrating on the driving - I also have a feeling that this is why the law was made
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Which do you think is more distracting a sat nav or the static cctv image? Your argument with your advanced driver's hat on is a bit flawed

Also having spoken to various firms - especially if you have yours fitted by a ICO registered fitter, they are saying VOSA and the police are both fine with the driver being able to see a CCTV image.

In fact having one for reversing is considered a good safety feature

Council and bus vehicles do not have a legal dispensation - they do however have to meet more licencing rules than haulage and have strict rules on where cameras are placed. School buses for example are allowed no blind spots.

So you cannot hide behind the "dispensation" argument as there isn't one.
 
As ROG said whilst it is illegal for the driver to look at the horse it is not illegal for the passenger ....
It is not illegal to have them fitted either
 
Jen_Cots said:
Which do you think is more distracting a sat nav or the static cctv image? Your argument with your advanced driver's hat on is a bit flawed

Also having spoken to various firms - especially if you have yours fitted by a ICO registered fitter, they are saying VOSA and the police are both fine with the driver being able to see a CCTV image.

In fact having one for reversing is considered a good safety feature

Council and bus vehicles do not have a legal dispensation - they do however have to meet more licencing rules than haulage and have strict rules on where cameras are placed. School buses for example are allowed no blind spots.

So you cannot hide behind the "dispensation" argument as there isn't one.
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I suggest you email VOSA and the manufacturers/fitters and ask them the law on fitting internal CCTV cameras for the driver to see - they will tell you exactly what I have said

Reversing cameras are exempt and so are those used on PSVs - ask VOSA by email so you get it in writing
 
TommisMum said:
As ROG said whilst it is illegal for the driver to look at the horse it is not illegal for the passenger ....
It is not illegal to have them fitted either
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I contacted the company that fitted out the Eddie Stobart horsebox because that horsebox was fitted out with a mutli purpose CCTV aimed at the driver

The screen was for 3 things and each could be selected
Sat nav
Reverse camera
Internal View

The driver was informed by the company that fitted it that viewing the internal whilst driving is illegal
 
I'm confused! Jen_cots I don't understand your problem?
ROG is stating the law, thats all. If you personally don't wish to drive within the law that's up to you its nothing to do with ROG's statement so I don't get why you are having a go at him/her???

I have a trailer-cam. I generally travel alone. I choose to look at my camera when stationery at lights/junctions and occasionally when moving on a straight road if i think conditions are reasonably safe for me to do so. If I were to get pulled by the police I know what I have done is illegal so it would be my responsibility and I would have to accept the consequences.
If you want the law changed write to your MP, don't have a go at someone who doesn't make the law!
 
Jen_Cots said:
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This is the actual law which is handy should you get queried:
The law - Section 109 of The Road Vehicles (Construction and use) Regulations 1986

Television sets
109.—(1) No person shall drive, or cause or permit to be driven, a motor vehicle on a road, if the driver is in such a position as to be able to see, whether directly or by reflection, a television receiving apparatus or other cinematographic apparatus used to display anything other than information—

(a) about the state of the vehicle or its equipment; .
(b) about the location of the vehicle and the road on which it is located; .
(c) to assist the driver to see the road adjacent to the vehicle; or .
(d) to assist the driver to reach his destination. .
(2) In this regulation “television receiving apparatus” means any cathode ray tube carried on a vehicle and on which there can be displayed an image derived from a television broadcast, a recording or a camera or computer.

Web link: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/109/made
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Would the camera not be telling you about the state of the vehicle therefore be legal?
 
trottingon said:
I'm confused! Jen_cots I don't understand your problem?
ROG is stating the law, thats all. !
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The problem is he is like a broken record.

Yes but ANYTIME someone post an innocent thread about CCTV in a trailer or horsebox. You can bet your bottom $ Rogue will be on it in a flash and give them a serve about it being illegal. Why does he not put it in his signature Its illegal for driver to have ccty facing them and watching it Then we can all read it - ignore it and move on. There you go and do us all a favour so we don't need to constantly get this serve anytime we post to help a member, about wiring which manufactor we use , etc etc etc. .
I wonder if fuzzes will be onto me if I put my tvs on while driving in my car.

The OP only asked about wiring up the live to the camera and off he goes into his lecture . The thread is NOT titled is it illegal to have camera facing you.:rolleyes:!!!



Sorry officer, no I did not see that cyclist I was looking at my sat nav to check my location, my car did go bumpy at one point, I thought it was a pot hole, because of the state of our roads. :eek:
 
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I did not go into a lecture in my first post which was very short and stated a legal fact

It was others who had an agenda which took the thread further by trying to state otherwise
 
ROG said:
I did not go into a lecture in my first post which was very short and stated a legal fact

It was others who had an agenda which took the thread further by trying to state otherwise
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OP did not ask about the legal fact. She asked about wiring the camera to the car's power source. THAT is the only question she asked, for that she got our answer. Had she asked that would be a different matter.
 
Leviathan said:
OP did not ask about the legal fact. She asked about wiring the camera to the car's power source. THAT is the only question she asked, for that she got our answer. Had she asked that would be a different matter.
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Were you and others asked to comment on my post ?

The OP was in the process of wiring in a CCTV so my post was relevant as they might not have known the law and before wiring it in it would be prudent to know it so that the wiring could be placed correctly
 
trottingon said:
I'm confused! Jen_cots I don't understand your problem?
ROG is stating the law, thats all. If you personally don't wish to drive within the law that's up to you its nothing to do with ROG's statement so I don't get why you are having a go at him/her???

I have a trailer-cam. I generally travel alone. I choose to look at my camera when stationery at lights/junctions and occasionally when moving on a straight road if i think conditions are reasonably safe for me to do so. If I were to get pulled by the police I know what I have done is illegal so it would be my responsibility and I would have to accept the consequences.
If you want the law changed write to your MP, don't have a go at someone who doesn't make the law!
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This!!!! ^^^
 
ROG said:
Were you and others asked to comment on my post ?

The OP was in the process of wiring in a CCTV so my post was relevant as they might not have known the law and before wiring it in it would be prudent to know it so that the wiring could be placed correctly
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We do not have to ask permission on if or if not we choose to comment on another members post. That as far as I am aware is not against the rules here. You commented on my post:confused: no prob there -
Whether or not OP is aware of the rules or not. You seem to take it on yourself to be the one that has to * without fail* jump on any new members post to this subject and read them the rules.

I am sure if members want to find out the rules they will phone up.
 
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