CDJ withdrawn from paris

Someone described it recently as loving horses but only as a SPORT, and that happens at all levels, I don't see it as pro vs amateur except for the fact the former should be setting an example. If they couldn't compete, and of course absolutely if they couldn't ride, they'd not have horses. I'm sure there are some who fall into that category that would never do any of this cr*p, but I think the abusers would probably all be in this group.
 
sbloom said:
Someone described it recently as loving horses but only as a SPORT, and that happens at all levels, I don't see it as pro vs amateur except for the fact the former should be setting an example. If they couldn't compete, and of course absolutely if they couldn't ride, they'd not have horses. I'm sure there are some who fall into that category that would never do any of this cr*p, but I think the abusers would probably all be in this group.
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Yes, I agree. If they could not use them, and force them to be used, they wouldn’t have them. Or would they? The horse world does seem to attract bullies.
 
Babypony said:
Oh I have. When I was 8 I was riding my favourite riding school pony Biscuit, who threw in a little buck at canter and I fell off. She bit her tongue and bled and I saw the blood and cried. Honestly I think I’d have the same reaction now. It’s seems there is an emerging and fundamental difference between hobby riders and professionals, and the difference is that one group are prepared to hurt their ponies more than the other group. I watched some of the Helgastrand documentary last night, and what stood out to me was the quote that they’re horses, you can’t be too nice to them. That’s kind of turned everything on its head for me.
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where did you watch it?
 
daffy44 said:
eurodressage.com

German NF Will Vote Against Relaxing of Blood Rule for Show Jumping

Leading up to the 2025 FEI General Assembly in Hong Kong next week, the German Equestrian Federation has already taken a public stance that it will be voting against the relaxing of the blood rule for the show jumping discipline.
eurodressage.com eurodressage.com

A little bit of hope
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i've skimmed the article and saw that a few nations have declared they will vote against relaxing it on the 7th ( it was "proposed by International Jumping Riders Club (IJRC) in agreement with the U.S. Equestrian federation").

Does anyone know what the UK's stance will be?
 
splashgirl45 said:
I’m hoping that this combination will continue to be marked highly and the gaping mouths and hollow backs will be marked down . With Becky coming a close second there is hope for harmonious dressage 🤞
Zonic Plus
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I haven't had a chance to watch so far, but the straight GP tests are available here.....

 
www.ridehesten.com

2,5 times retsmøde i omstridt sag

Efter endnu etretsmøde i retten i Næstved meddelte dommeren, at dommen først vil blive afsagt i november,uden parterne Tribler og Hesselhøj skal møde personligt
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In Denmark, a rider is suing a technical delegate for libel over a report she wrote describing his riding as 'violent and unacceptable', despite the fact that he got a suspension off the back of it that was upheld on appeal (as far as I can make out). The website https://varmblod.dk/rettens-afgoerelse-i-disciplinaersag has this:

"The Court's decision in disciplinary proceedings​

The court in Aarhus has dealt with a case that Anders Hoeck has brought against Danish Warmblood after he was sentenced to the Danish Warmblood Disciplinary Committee

In August last year, the Danish Warmblood Disciplinary Committee considered a case involving Anders Uve Sjøbeck Hoecks's riding on the warm-up at the saddle award in region 2 at the Riders Cup on 19 August 2023. Here, in his report, the technical delegate characterized Anders Uve Sjøbeck Hoeck’s warm-up of a 3-year-old mare as “violent and unacceptable”.

The Disciplinary Committee decided to give Anders Uve Sjøbeck Hoeck 1 year quarantine. The quarantine period started on August 19, 2023.

Following the Disciplinary Committee's decision on quarantine, Anders Hoeck brought an action against the association for having the quarantine lifted. The case has been dealt with in the Court in Aarhus. A decision has now been made in the case.

The court found it justified to quarantine the rider. The decision states: It is based on the testimony of the testified presentations and, in part, the presentation of the video recording that the applicant rode his horse in a way that did not harmonise with regard to horse welfare, which was written down in the Code of Conduct, notwithstanding that it cannot be established with certainty that the applicant rode his horse into the barrier. Against this background, the destitute of the defendant's disciplinary committee has been entitled to impose a sanction on the applicant.

The court also found no basis for changing the quarantine imposed by the Danish Warmblood Disciplinary Committee. The applicant Anders Uwe Sjøbeck Hoeck is also ordered to pay the costs of the Danish Warmblood."

This is not a good look or, potentially, precedent :(
 
I am so sick and tired of these people thinking they are above the rules. Trouble is organisations like the FEI are piss weak, so much so they're considering revoking the sj blood rules. Hope thats stopped in its tracks, would be interesting to see which nations are in favour, think that'll say a lot. Saw an article that said Germany want to keep it in place, wonder what other nations will vote. Hope its clearly publicised

Also his horse was 3 years old? Racing gets a lot of criticism for horses being started at 2 how about this?
 
sbloom said:
Someone described it recently as loving horses but only as a SPORT, and that happens at all levels, I don't see it as pro vs amateur except for the fact the former should be setting an example. If they couldn't compete, and of course absolutely if they couldn't ride, they'd not have horses. I'm sure there are some who fall into that category that would never do any of this cr*p, but I think the abusers would probably all be in this group.
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Absolutely this 🙌
 
Crazy_cat_lady said:
I also dont like how horse "sports" receive lottery funding in this country, when theres far more worthy causes e.g. charities/community projects, they need it far more than those bankrolled by rich connections
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Lottery funding is divided into twelve areas, with UK Sport being one of them, and is only part of what most Olympic sports get tbf and the breakdown figures wise is interesting https://www.uksport.gov.uk/our-work/investing-in-sport/current-funding-awards

Equestrianism on a par with canoeing and boxing; hockey gets more. UKSport is funded by DCMS, now you could argue that budget should be used for the health dept budget or DWP...
 
teapot said:
Lottery funding is divided into twelve areas, with UK Sport being one of them, and is only part of what most Olympic sports get tbf and the breakdown figures wise is interesting https://www.uksport.gov.uk/our-work/investing-in-sport/current-funding-awards

Equestrianism on a par with canoeing and boxing; hockey gets more. UKSport is funded by DCMS, now you could argue that budget should be used for the health dept budget or DWP...
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In view of the state the NHS and other public services are in I would much rather lottery money went to those needs. I think when it was bought in it was promised that it wouldn't be used for that purpose but times have changed. I don't see why some professional sports should be funded in this way. Athletics gets mega money. I remember after one Olympics Michael Johnson commenting on how many millions of pounds each gold medal had cost GB. It also really irritates when the athletes are interviewed after they have competed and very few of them thank the lottery funding. These are people who can afford to go and train abroad. I would much rather that community sport had better funding.
 
Honestly what is the point of the FEI and horse "sport" at this point

www.horseandhound.co.uk

Controversial changes to showjumping blood rules approved – but Britain will not follow suit

The FEI will go ahead with changes to the so-called blood rules in showjumping that have divided opinion – but Britain will not follow suit at national level
www.horseandhound.co.uk www.horseandhound.co.uk

This statement sums up how the FEI is weak as p***

"The athletes came to us to ask to change it, further to what happened in Paris, and we listened to them. Let’s not forget that the athletes are at the centre of our sport, nobody else. So we listen to them and we help them to accommodate them. And I think that we need to respect the people who have been working really hard on this to make this rule better."

I thought the priority was the horses not the "atheletes" that are often the ones who cause the blood

Makes you wonder if a few brown envelopes have been passed round...

Glad GB voted against, think I saw Germany were going to as well. Wonder who voted for, would be interested to see. Can think of a few...
 
Crazy_cat_lady said:
Honestly what is the point of the FEI and horse "sport" at this point

www.horseandhound.co.uk

Controversial changes to showjumping blood rules approved – but Britain will not follow suit

The FEI will go ahead with changes to the so-called blood rules in showjumping that have divided opinion – but Britain will not follow suit at national level
www.horseandhound.co.uk www.horseandhound.co.uk

This statement sums up how the FEI is weak as p***

"The athletes came to us to ask to change it, further to what happened in Paris, and we listened to them. Let’s not forget that the athletes are at the centre of our sport, nobody else. So we listen to them and we help them to accommodate them. And I think that we need to respect the people who have been working really hard on this to make this rule better."

I thought the priority was the horses not the "atheletes" that are often the ones who cause the blood

Makes you wonder if a few brown envelopes have been passed round...

Glad GB voted against, think I saw Germany were going to as well. Wonder who voted for, would be interested to see. Can think of a few...
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We are seeing the FEI for what they are aren't we.
 
Disgusting. Horses are the centre of the sport, not the flipping riders.

I really hoped with Germany and other European big guns voting against, the rule wouldnt go through, but I guess the bigger money nations wanted it, and so the pathetic FEI caved in, lets hope it doesnt spread to other disciplines, but the poor, poor show jumpers.
 
Bleeding from the nose, can that be diagnosed conclusively during a comp so they can continue after wiping away the blood????

And athletes are at the centre, nobody else,???? the fei does not own dressage it is a discipline performed by many, many people all over the world many of whom have better standards than the fei it would appear

The fei do not own dressage
 
Honestly I am not surprised. A degeneration in civil society seems to be happening in general and I see this in some ways as a manifestation of it - it's very much a FU to people who want a better, gentler world, who want the vulnerable (in this case animals) to have a better deal. Might seem like a stretch but everywhere there is pushback against actually making the world a better place.
 
tristars said:
Bleeding from the nose, can that be diagnosed conclusively during a comp so they can continue after wiping away the blood????

And athletes are at the centre, nobody else,???? the fei does not own dressage it is a discipline performed by many, many people all over the world many of whom have better standards than the fei it would appear

The fei do not own dressage
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The rule is not about dressage horses, it refers only to show jumpers, no other discipline is changing their blood rules (so far).
 
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