change my mind - what controversial/guilty horsey things do you do and not feel guilty for??:)

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just got this idea from reddit where you post a controversial belief and are open to someone changing your view. it's just a light-hearted thread on what ingrained horsey logic or horse things you disagree with and ignore. what do you proudly do, that you know people will argue with you for?

mine would be
1. I absolutely fling my rugs on from when they are young
I know correct practise for BHS rigging is to put them on folded and then gently unfolded and strap them. I totally get the BHS logic of getting horses used to rugs by gently placing and folding them. but mine get rugs absolutely flung on them, usually in high winds in the middle of fields. but in reality I want a horse not to panic if a rug breaks and gets stuck around their legs. so from foals on they get rugs thrown over them non BHS style.

2. I bring all baby horses in non-looped hacks from the beginning of their roadwork
I think from the start a horse needs to know you are in control of its pace and rhythm whenever you ride it. whether facing away from home or towards. I accept a more forward walk and use it for more stretch over the back. I think it's a fight worth having to get a horse to accept it keeps a rhythm regardless of what direction it's facing.

2. I have no interest in horsey bloggers because I think a lot of equestrian blogging (though well-meaning) is quite damaging for both the people that write it and the people that read it
Two reasons for this.
1.Working for an advertising company I just see how companies and corporations just use bloggers as a cheap way to get advertising. You give someone a free hoof oil and you save yourself a fortune in Facebook ads. I know when I see a blogger recommend a product I just roll my eyes. I think it adds to the negative commercialisation of horse riding and it spoils my enjoyment of riders journey when they push a product in my face they've been 'gifted'. I think it's negative thing for amateurs to act like pros. I think on the one hand it's a desperate act for validation and on the other hand it's a case of egotism or trying to appear better than others.
2. I think bloggers are too self-deprecating. So much is focused on mistakes they make and how nervous they are or when things go bad. I think it HAS been brilliant to see the reality of people who look perfect showing their flaws. But sometimes I think bloggers go SO hard on themselves and it's a fashion these days to pick out every flaw you have and crucify yourself for it. After my mum died, my view on horse riding changed totally. I used to be so hard on myself and my flaws but I came back after caring for mum just really appreciating what a joyful and amazing hobby it is. So I absolutely praise myself for my riding and take great joy in what I've learned. I'm not the best rider, I absolutely know my faults and what I need to work on, but I go home from every show and lesson delighted with myself. I would really love to see an environment where people posted a video of themselves doing an average dressage test or showjumping round and just acted like a boss about it and said they felt amazing going around. I think social media has brought a horrible self-awareness to people where they feel they have to conform and be aware of their faults. it would be amazing for someone to feel confident enough to absolutely not give a f*** about their riding. But then I suppose why would you feel the need to post it? If you are really just wanting to keep track of your progress, why do other people need to see it, you could just keep a private page? thats just my two cents on bloggers!
 
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Ride all my newly broken horses out alone on hacks right from the start.

Let my horses put themselves into the field and bring themselves in from the field.

Trim feet (tack up, groom, etc) without the horses tied up.
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[QUOTE="ycbm, post: 14582426, member: 118895"

Trim feet (track up, groom, etc) without the horses tied up.
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I groom tack up etc without the horse tied up too. My loan is a Saint, the worst he does is nudge my pocket for a treat. I'm hoping any future horse I get is the same. What a faff.
 

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I don't give hay nets when tied up. I think horses need to learn how to stand still without stuffing their faces.

My horse went through a phase of learning if he pulled back, his leadrope would snap and he would arse off. Went through about four ropes in three days. I tied him to a fixed metal ring for a week and he soon stopped that...

Read my post back and laughing to myself - to confirm, he wasn't tied up for a solid week!
 

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just got this idea from reddit where you post a controversial belief and are open to someone changing your view. it's just a light-hearted thread on what ingrained horsey logic or horse things you disagree with and ignore. what do you proudly do, that you know people will argue with you for?

mine would be
1. I absolutely fling my rugs on from when they are young
I know correct practise for BHS rigging is to put them on folded and then gently unfolded and strap them. I totally get the BHS logic of getting horses used to rugs by gently placing and folding them. but mine get rugs absolutely flung on them, usually in high winds in the middle of fields. but in reality I want a horse not to panic if a rug breaks and gets stuck around their legs. so from foals on they get rugs thrown over them non BHS style.

2. I bring all baby horses in non-looped hacks from the beginning of their roadwork
I think from the start a horse needs to know you are in control of its pace and rhythm whenever you ride it. whether facing away from home or towards. I accept a more forward walk and use it for more stretch over the back. I think it's a fight worth having to get a horse to accept it keeps a rhythm regardless of what direction it's facing.

2. I have no interest in horsey bloggers because I think a lot of equestrian blogging (though well-meaning) is quite damaging for both the people that write it and the people that read it
Two reasons for this.
1.Working for an advertising company I just see how companies and corporations just use bloggers as a cheap way to get advertising. You give someone a free hoof oil and you save yourself a fortune in Facebook ads. I know when I see a blogger recommend a product I just roll my eyes. I think it adds to the negative commercialisation of horse riding and it spoils my enjoyment of riders journey when they push a product in my face they've been 'gifted'. I think it's negative thing for amateurs to act like pros. I think on the one hand it's a desperate act for validation and on the other hand it's a case of egotism or trying to appear better than others.
2. I think bloggers are too self-deprecating. So much is focused on mistakes they make and how nervous they are or when things go bad. I think it HAS been brilliant to see the reality of people who look perfect showing their flaws. But sometimes I think bloggers go SO hard on themselves and it's a fashion these days to pick out every flaw you have and crucify yourself for it. After my mum died, my view on horse riding changed totally. I used to be so picky but I came back after caring for mum just really appreciating what a joyful and amazing hobby it is. So I absolutely praise myself for my riding and take great joy in what I've learned. I'm not the best rider, I absolutely know my faults and what I need to work on, but I go home from every show and lesson delighted with myself. I would absolutely love to see an environment where people posted a video of themselves doing an average dressage test or showjumping round and just acted like a boss about it and said they felt amazing going around. I think social media has brought a horrible self-awareness to people where they feel they have to conform and be aware of their faults. it would be amazing for someone to feel confident enough to absolutely not give a f*** about their riding. But then I suppose why would you feel the need to post it? If you are really just wanting to keep track of your progress, why do other people need to see it, you could just keep a private page? thats just my two cents on bloggers!
agreed in general, but I'll come back on the blogging. I don't have much interest either, for similar reasons, but I do think it's good that we are all self aware when riding... like you i reflect on stuff after a show or a lesson and look for the positives because it's my hobby and i need to feel positive about it ;) but when you are involving another living being in your fun i think not giving a shit about your riding is not something to be encouraged ;)
I accept I'm on the fairly serious and boring side of the riding fence, i can't really remember the last carefree ride i had, i haven't had that kind of horse for a long time, but i think it's important to be aware so you don't end up hanging off its mouth or do stuff that's unfair on the horse. Party poop over :p

i also lob rugs at them all, do everything with horses loose and feed hand treats liberally :p
 

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All of yours paddi and YCBM.

I solid tie my horses. Most people are pretty horrified by that one.

I'm generally fairly relaxed about calling the vet. Obviously there are emergency ailments when I would call them immediately, but in terms of things like subtle lameness, I prefer to give it a few days/weeks to a)see if it sorts itself out and b)see how it is in a variety of scenarios so I have a more complete picture when going into vet examinations

And a slightly more light-hearted one - I'm a big fan of aromatherapy for horses ?
 

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agreed in general, but I'll come back on the blogging. I don't have much interest either, for similar reasons, but I do think it's good that we are all self aware when riding... like you i reflect on stuff after a show or a lesson and look for the positives because it's my hobby and i need to feel positive about it ;) but when you are involving another living being in your fun i think not giving a shit about your riding is not something to be encouraged ;)
I accept I'm on the fairly serious and boring side of the riding fence, i can't really remember the last carefree ride i had, i haven't had that kind of horse for a long time, but i think it's important to be aware so you don't end up hanging off its mouth or do stuff that's unfair on the horse. Party poop over :p

i also lob rugs at them all, do everything with horses loose and feed hand treats liberally :p

:p agree on most of what you say but I think it's not a case of not giving a shit though. I think it's an awareness of what you have to improve but not knocking yourself on it. I really made an aim of getting on my horse bringing no negative feelings against myself because that's just baggage. I try and just bring cold data, like "I know my outside contact on the right rein is too strong and makes him crooked' but I don't emotionalise it or make it good/bad, it just is what it is (if that makes sense). but you see so many people coming out of sj rounds and just feeling like they can only comment on the one bad jump they had and not mention the rest. a balance would be good.
 

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:p agree on most of what you say but I think it's not a case of not giving a shit though. I think it's an awareness of what you have to improve but not knocking yourself on it. I really made an aim of getting on my horse bringing no negative feelings against myself because that's just baggage. I try and just bring cold data, like "I know my outside contact on the right rein is too strong and makes him crooked' but I don't emotionalise it or make it good/bad, it just is what it is (if that makes sense). but you see so many people coming out of sj rounds and just feeling like they can only comment on the one bad jump they had and not mention the rest. a balance would be good.
ah ok. it was your phrase
it would be amazing for someone to feel confident enough to absolutely not give a f*** about their riding.
that i misunderstood then.
I think if it's not done for effect that can come with experience and practice. i used to focus on the bad thing and completely forget all the stuff i did well, i have had to train myself to park the bad thing as a neutral objective for the next training session and celebrate the positives. It's why i keep a training diary because I have to rationalise my response to a session to write it down.... mine is on FB :p mainly because I wouldn't have the discipline to use, nor would i look back at a paper book, whereas FB memories reminds me of stuff regularly.

i break lots of HHO rules :p
I indulge my pair bonded horse and keep a freeloading friend on the yard for her so she doesn't have to go anywhere on her own
I don't really hack her because she doesn't like it
I bred from a broken mare

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ah ok. it was your phrase that i misunderstood then.
no you are right, I didn't explain it properly. It was more that someone could have a fairly average round and not care about criticism or have to be dragged over the coals for mistakes (not talking about excessive whipping or horrific riding!) , but instead there was a balance. but yeah thats not how I explained it originally!
 
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I'm not going to admit half of what I do ... the BHS brigade would have me hung, drawn and quartered!

As for the blogging - I don't read equestrian blogs, in fact I don't read any at all. I write one on here occasionally but that is very much more to give an insight into a world that most equestrians don't know much about or see the behind the scenes of. I certainly don't promote products or get any freebies! Though my one on the hat silks may have got a few more funky ones sold than would have been anyway but that wasn't my intention ???
 

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I don't put my feet in the stirrups to mount because my mare's back is the same height as my mounting block so I just slide on.

I give my horses treats for no reason other than that they are adorable! They aren't nippy, so I don't see a problem.

I am not that bothered if my stable looks super amazing after mucking out, as long as it is clean, comfortable, poo and wee free, it's not like they hand out awards for it.

I frequently let go of horses and tell them to stand while I go back to shut gates. I do unclip my lead rope though.
 

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I confess to being a rug flinger too ?.
don’t tie up to tack / groom .. and do feed treats by hand and sometimes I do it to make them give me a sloppy kiss . Not interested in bloggers either .
 

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[QUOTE="ycbm, post: 14582426, member: 118895"

Trim feet (track up, groom, etc) without the horses tied up.
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I groom tack up etc without the horse tied up too. My loan is a Saint, the worst he does is nudge my pocket for a treat. I'm hoping any future horse I get is the same. What a faff.[/QUOTE]

I never tie mine up either
 

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Trotting the horse on the tarmac drive saves time picking packed mud out of hooves. You do have to check it’s all out though.

The lane from my house is littered with clay sole impressions.

Edited to add... one of my favourite sayings, which all my horses must know by heart is. “ failed my Pony Club test again”
 

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There’’s a lot of things ive read should be done a certain way and i try and fail - end up having to think of alternatives that then work, only to read it shouldnt be done that way!

Foal electric fencing - 4 strings - i wanted to make all 4 strings live - an experienced breeder told me only zap the top line for the mare - keep other 3 lines dead for the foal - so the foal got used to poking head through lines to eat the other side, until one day, the top line zapped the top of his head, as he assumed all of it was dead, and he freaked so much he turned and ran taking the 2 top lines wrapped around his neck with him - resulting in many broken posts, lines everywhere in all directions, and him in the middle of the field of chaos with it wrapped tightly around his neck. Mare called for me, thank god.
Also thank god she trusted me to lead them out of there stepping on lines dragged all over the place, without freaking out further.

The foal, when he first saw the fencing sniffed it, touched it with his nose. If all lines were live he wouldve been zapped that first day and would have stayed away from the fence from the get-go. He never would have dared to put his head through a 12inch gap of the stuff after being zapped.

This foal now 8yrs 16hh monster has turned into houdini with electric fencing - he’s not bothered about slight zaps, and will shoot between lines, sacrifice being zapped to get greener grass - so I have to have very tight rope lines x3, super zapping low ohm stuff....its a nightmare! All because he was taught its sometimes doesnt hurt, and sometimes does. He’ll risk it for lush grass on t’other side!

So happily zap your foals folks! You wont pay for it later!

I can only pass this info on as 1 foal experience was exhausting enough, i wont be repeating it! ?
 

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I don't bother to put boots on my horses for anything, even travel.

I do the bare minimum grooming (unless a show) as I'm lazy ?.

My horses don't wear shoes because it's cheaper not because I necessarily think it is better.

My horses walk when mounting as I prefer it ?‍♀️.

I judge people secretly who bandage wrong ?
 

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I don't faff about with long reining and lunging when I'm backing a horse . They will be used to me leaning over/lying on them during grooming ( from a high block ) and I will spend as long as it takes getting the horse used to having their tack put on and being led around in it . I will give them a spin on the lunge to let him get a feel of the tack moving and if they look happy about everything , and my gut says it's ok then I just get on and go .
 

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I'm another who never ties up for tacking/grooming/udder cleaning/etc., and who merrily flings rugs around.

I put the saddle on from whichever side is more convenient at that moment. I don't bother taking the reins over her head if I'm leading her. A lot of the time, I don't even bother leading her - she follows me anyway. If I'm lunging, I often won't bother using a lunge line. If I stand in the middle with my arms out, she knows what to do.

The only boots I use are overreach boots, and that's only because she has a habit of ripping her shoes off if I don't.

I feed her treats by hand, but I've also taught her not to mug me for them. (Other people are fair game. They should know better than to give in to her frantic upper lip.)

I abandon grooming during winter. She gets dried mud brushed off once a week, or if I'm going to ride and there's mud where her tack goes. Her mane is currently an exuberant mohawk, she has a bramble bush instead of a tail, and I've forgotten what colour her legs are. (Except for behind her knees, which get washed every couple of weeks with warm water and Aveeno shampoo to stop her mallenders flaring up.)
 

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I do much of what's mentioned above. Mine are all tied to fixed tie rings, I'm a nazi about tying up, I'll snip bits of twine off if friends have been in the yard!
Never travel anything with anything on apart from headcollar.
Yard gets swept once a week and other random occasions. Tho muck heap is usually squared off often.



*cough*
ex BHS trained person....
 

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I do the rug flinging thing too - often in the middle of a windy field.

I also do the, “Stay there!” thing if I need to close a gate or grab my gloves etc.

I do the sliding on from the mounting block too.

I often take off my jacket or jumper whilst riding, without dismounting, and fling it over the fence as I pass.

I also ignore the ‘fastenings to the outside’ rule for chest clips on rugs and throat clips on head collars. This, however, unlike my other breaches of pony club protocol, is intentional and not just laziness. I’ve seen those clips on head collars get caught on hay nets and I suspect there’s a possibility of the same sort of thing happening with rug clips, so they all go to the inside (and I try to buy cheap head collars without throat clips).
 
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