Channel 4 8.30 tonight

Agree tallyho,
Sad old chap that could do with some help. He's getting more from Michelle than the useless RSPCA.

I also have to say they are some pretty clever clogs idiots on this forum. As someone else said, if that's the worst animal neglect you've seen you've been very lucky.
I have seen 100 times worse abuse of horses from wealthy idiots in the name of fluffy wuffy lunatics who treat them as oversized pets and ruthless professional breeders trying to breed the one world champion whilst dumping the 100's that are not up to scratch.
This guy needs a helping hand and a bit of organising, that's all. Looks like Michelle is getting things under control.
 
Yes the numbers were out of control, but they were all in good condition and appeared happy. There was grass and space and food. If the black colt was so sick it needed removing, why did it lead them a merry dance for 2 hours, can't have been that sick.
The main issue seems to be the indiscriminate breeding cos the colts weren't being castrated.

Good on Michelle for trying to help, but why isn't someone helping
Him, he obviously needs looking after far more than the horses.
Programme wasn't long enough and showed the RSPCA up in the light we have all come to expect from them, wouldn't give them the time of day and haven't for years.
 
interesting programme but not long enough!! RSPCA their usual useless selves:mad:
Michelle may not have had the best technique in moving a feral pony but she certainly had got through to him and was doing far more to help than the RSPCA, they were certainly the only knobs in the programme!
 
Springy said:
PLEASE!!!
You can all disagree/agree without turning nasty with each other :(:confused: we are adults!!!
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What? Where's the fun in that?

Don't worry springy, everyone fights here but then we all have a hug in the morning and all is forgotten :)
 
I must be hormonal because I cried :(

Why thd frck couldn't the RSPCA leave him alone - and that frcking neighbour that reported him for cruelty. The one thing that truly makes him happy and they try to take if away from him

The majority of those horses were in good condition. They had fields to graze in, he was feeding them etc.

It just made me sick - thank god for Michelle helping him - not like any of those feckers (RSPCA and the neighbours)
 
What a sad situation. Have to admire Michelle for taking action and gaining his trust, it is the only way to improve the situation for him and his horses. Removing colts, selling what she can to pay to worm etc seems a very practical approach to me.

So sad to see him reflecting on what he has lost, and none of us can be sure how we will react to such a loss.

I do hope he gets support and not threats. As others say horses were in better state than many we see, and if he was left with none he would have nothing left in his life.
 
I'm finding this terribly sad. Michelle Crowley you are an amazing lady. And Clewd.. Sorry is that the old chaps name, I think I'd like you if we met.
 
One good thing about the RSPCA is that they are consistent IMO

They consistently turn up when there are TV cameras around and consistently prosecute rather than help and educate :(

Their useless attempt at darting that pony would have stressed the poor thing out more than the life it was leading with their owner.

The RSPCA really need to look at what the public think about them because they're the people who keep them going.
 
Overall I found the programme un-settling.

Most of the horses shown seemed in good condition - there were some beautiful animals. It was the fella I felt sorry for - He needs someone to take him on, look after him and get him work with horses he soo obviously loves.

I found the conditions he lived in heartbreaking but in some ways his devotion to the horses almost inspiring.

RSCPA weren't shown in their best light were they? :o
 
tallyho! said:
He's not a knob, just a very sad and lonely man who needs help!

Applause for Michelle! Good on you girl! You have a heart asa big as those welsh mountains.
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Very well said and totally agree. Can't believe people thinks he's a 'knob' and she is annoying. Life has obviously dealt him some harsh cards in life, poor man :(
And she deserves a medal, how many people would try and help like she did, if there were more like her the world would be a much nicer place to live, instead of people who like to sit and judge and criticise :(
 
guido16 said:
What a knob he is.
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Absolutely dont agree.

Laafet said:
Am laughing along with that old bloke laughing at the RSPCA! Two hours for a dart to work is ridiculous though. I feel for people like him, he seems to care and is not asking for hand outs, the numbers just are out of control and a more tactful approach needed.
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Absolutely agree.

Springy said:
I dont I think he is

He is overun and they could help him by gelding etc rather than just prosecuting...

Notice RSPCA useless he can do more than them in less time.

And they dont look 'emeciated' Ive seen worse horses that the RSCPA wont help with...
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Yep, based on a letter he recived it would of been filmed Feb/March so the horses were coming out of winter looking pretty good. The land looked of good quality with good natural shelter. Don't think I saw any Ragwort. So the yard could do with cleaning up a bit not the end of the world at all.

Goldenstar said:
At least she's got off her backside and is trying to improve things, yes she's "organising " but it's people like her in a community that gets things done.
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This. I thought she came across well.

tallyho! said:
He's not a knob, just a very sad and lonely man who needs help!

Applause for Michelle! Good on you girl! You have a heart asa big as those welsh mountains.
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Yep agree.
 
Having seen this it reminded me of the newspaper report about the RSPCA losing it member to less than half the RSPB and they would soon be struggling for money due to expensive and political prosecutions. on the dog board on here.
I also watched by curiosity the rescue of the Highland ponies in Dallas Scotland shown initially on the BBC programme animals 24 I then watched the same rescue on Horse and country filmed by the WHW crew they could have been totally different cases the second film was caring, non dramatic all the horses were filmed kindly and compassionately
The BBC film of the RSPCA was violent dramatic talked about the stress and how easily they could have killed each other in the crushes designed to help handle them.
WHW showed the horse herded into the crush, sedated, feet trimmed, gelded where appropriate and wormed without any drama or upset
Just shows the motives behind each organisation in my view
The ponies circumstances were very similar to the gentleman on tonights show
 
Pity one of the DIY SOS type programs cant go in and help him out. All he needs is a hand up until he can get some control back in his life. Poor man.
 
Ernie2001 said:
The RSPCA need to employ people with a tiny bit of horse sense :confused: seems ridiculous. The man just needs help as he seems compliant to help the horses. Typical RSPCA annoying people when the situation is not desperate yet all these farms they find with horses walking amoung dead where were they then before it got to that state! :rolleyes:
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Err, do you not think that they are intervening BEFORE it gets that way in this instance?! :rolleyes:

Do you seriously think that those horses are being cared for by a responsible adult?! Even that Michelle whoever on earth she is, says that there were sick and ill horses. And she is 'on his side'!

As for him being compliant, are you serious?!! Honestly?? He refused to help in loading the horses, meaning that he watched one of his 'well loved children' be darted and subjected to a damn lot more stress than if he had simply been helpful, for the sake of his 'beloved' horses and helped to get them in! Not only that, but he continues to get more and more horses, AND COMPLAINS THAT HE HAS TO SPEND THE PROCEEDS OF SOLD HORSES ON MAINTAINING THE WELFARE OF HIS REMAINING STOCK, RESULTING IN A DEAD FOAL.

For those people who honestly think that this man should have been left with those horses, you quite frankly worry me, and yet you are the very people who would moan and moan and moan endlessly if these horses ended up suffering, dead and dying if the RSPCA didn't act. :mad:

As for people saying 'ahh poor man, he just needs help getting his life on track'. Open your eyes, are you so blinkered?!! The man has had endless amount of help - which is exactly what the programme is showing, yet he STILL reverts back to his old ways. Do you understand how hoarding works?!!

Just to also point out, to make sure that everyone is clear on the matter, it is A VET who decides whether those animals have suffered, and that vet decided that there were 18 counts of suffering caused by that man. Anybody who thinks that is acceptable is a downright disgrace IMO.
 
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