Charity for North Wales farmers?

Pale Rider said:
The problems in farming are nothing new, we had foot and mouth in the 60's and the winter of 63, the drought of 76 and innumerable wet summers since.
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That doesn't make them any easier to overcome, does it?

Of course I have some sympathy for people struggling to make ends meet. At the end of the day lots are sitting on a huge capital asset, a benefit not many people have.
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It is all part of living in a democracy. If you owned a working farm you may not actually look at it as a capital asset, but more a liability and the inherited millstone around your neck.

Is it right that subsidy payments, far from going to farmers who need them end up in the pocket of the likes of British Sugar, the Queen, the Duke of Westminster, who gets half a million o year from his UK farms and 6 million Euro's a year from Grosvenor Farms Ltd.
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Not sure which page you're on, because subsidy payments DO go to farmers who need them. The landowners of investment holdings claim SFP because they can, and until someone amends the legislation, they will continue to do that, which I agree is counter productive.

Of course lots of farmers over mechanize, pick fashionable systems and breeds of livestock because that's what's taught.
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Do you honestly believe that? We farm in Lincolnshire and the majority are still on five furrow plough, which I would actually argue that for more than 1500acres is under horsing yourself.

I remember a farm visit I went to in East Yorkshire where they were re planting hedges, having grubbed out every hedge on the farm the year before to accommodate larger machinery. The wind had erroded most of the light topsoil as a result of the prairie they'd created.
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There are people in every walk of life that lack common sense.

t me started on Holstein cows.
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Good because the amount of rubbish you have written so far in this thread I can guarentee your opinion will annoy me and be wildly inaccurate. Holstein are high yielding dairy cows that have a very real place in the UK milk production.

K household pays 300 pounds a year almost into the CAP, and it is certainly wasted, I resent that a lot.
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Wasted? You have got to be joking. I'm sorry, I really don't think you know a great deal about the industry at all, your original post smacks of ignorance, it just gets worse.
 
fburton said:
Monbiot says £245 a year (a bit less than £5 a week, in Nov 2011). He usually pretty good at doing his homework.


Here's another for you then.

http://www.monbiot.com/2011/11/28/big-farmer/

(And some comment on hill farming: http://www.monbiot.com/2012/11/26/the-fat-of-the-land/)
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"Monbiot says"? :D Has Monbiot given any thought to an alternative, I wonder? The article which you've quoted is so loaded in the bias of bigotry, that the inaccuracies would be clear, to even those with no interest in the subject.

Monbiot's argument, were anyone daft enough to act upon such ill thought through agenda, would cost British households far more than the existing and apparent levy, and we'd lose all control over our own food security.

Monbiot is a journalist, and one who seems to have given less thought to the long term effects of his criticisms, than as he has to his own self promotion.

Alec.
 
RunToEarth said:
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Wasted? You have got to be joking. I'm sorry, I really don't think you know a great deal about the industry at all, your original post smacks of ignorance, it just gets worse.
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The poster who you're responding to, and despite their claims to the contrary, has neither knowledge nor experience, but argues none-the-less! ;) "You can't put it, where it wont go", I've just decided. :D

Alec.
 
Big assumption there Alec.

Trouble is lots of people do have experience and know how the system works. The sycophantic support of the landed aristocracy you have is impressive though, lol. I imagine your fore lock is just about worn out.
 
PR - to whom would you like us to sell out capital asser? Developers or bigger farmers? How would that help anything, in the long run.
Food security being unimportant now? The Australains, Russians and Americans are having trouble with their wheat this year, Russia I believe has banned all exports. When we are no longer growing wheat, as we all sit in our modern bungalows with central heating, dishwashers and all mod cons (I can but dream), how will we make our bread? How will poor people be able to buy food? Us farmers will be OK because instread of a huge overdraft we will have money in the bank - Yay!
 
Alec Swan said:
"Monbiot says"? :D Has Monbiot given any thought to an alternative, I wonder? The article which you've quoted is so loaded in the bias of bigotry, that the inaccuracies would be clear, to even those with no interest in the subject.

Monbiot's argument, were anyone daft enough to act upon such ill thought through agenda, would cost British households far more than the existing and apparent levy, and we'd lose all control over our own food security.
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I didn't see him arguing that taxes shouldn't go towards supporting agriculture. However, he clearly believes that whatever money is levied would be better targeted where it can do the most public good. It is hard to disagree with that.
 
Pale Rider said:
Big assumption there Alec.

Trouble is lots of people do have experience and know how the system works. The sycophantic support of the landed aristocracy you have is impressive though, lol. I imagine your fore lock is just about worn out.
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You really do have some strange views PR, so glad I live the life I live! That being in the real world, work with it, socialise with it and I must add understand it.
 
Pale Rider said:
Big assumption there Alec.

Trouble is lots of people do have experience and know how the system works. The sycophantic support of the landed aristocracy you have is impressive though, lol. I imagine your fore lock is just about worn out.
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You've been watching too much Citizen Smith. ;)

Alec.
 
It was only the Tooting Popular Front until PR joined; now it's just the Tooting Front.

The only place things are worse ATM than Wales is Ireland. It's a human and animal crisis and SFP payments don't even touch the sides of it.

I hope you're pushed to the back of the bread queue if it ever gets to that in this country, which it could do since other countries won't give a stuff about us when there's not enough to go round and the Chinese are paying more. No U boats, but there might as well be, the effect will be the same.
 
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