CHEAP winter turnout help (Welsh clay sloping soil)

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Although the weather in Wales is currently very warm and sunny, I REALLY need to think ahead about this winter’s turnout options.

They are SO happy right now on hilly turnout as a herd, with PLENTY of meadow grass. We’ve just cut our own hay which is really good stuff too.

But for winter - historically the horses have come in to the stables, with turnout pretty much limited to the arena for a few hours a day with hay in hay cubes/nets.

The surface is great for turnout, but of course this ABSOLUTELY wrecks my sand/fibre arena, they dig big holes (causing awful big puddles and trip hazards), spread hay EVERYWHERE (I did try putting mats in areas but they still managed to get it everywhere), chew the wooden fencing and just generally cause havoc - not to mention not being able to leave any poles or jumps out without them being stamped on, chewed and knocked over - the younger one also loves to run around with the flexi poles in his mouth like a puppy…. But, I end up not being able to ride without levelling it due to the trip hazard (and then it takes ages because of how uneven it is), and I don’t really have time for that after work every day, and as a result they don’t get ridden as much as I would like to (which would be good for them in winter)…

This really messes up my winter riding, as I do actually have floodlights and find it much easier to school in winter as it’s normally too dark to hack apart from weekends.

I did cut their stables open so they can groom eachother over the walls, which they do love, but I hate the lack of constant movement, the stables are only normal size (not particularly big for the warmbloods). Even if they aren’t wandering in a big pasture, at least a turnout paddock with a few different ‘groups’ of hay around would mean they move about and have better interaction with eachother - and if I can ride more this would also help.

I am determined this year to not ruin my arena again (so that I can also do much more riding), so I would really like somewhere I can turn them out that isn’t a quagmire. Remembering my fields are HILLY/on a slope and on clay soil, so they do get very wet & boggy in winter, even if I only turn them out for an hour a day (they also do like to run, a lot).

It isn’t an option just to leave the field as is and turn them out, I’ve tried this and it just becomes a major skid risk, they get horrible mud fever and absolutely stinking, and they look miserable as even the hay is in mud. The mud would be up to their knees.



I have thought about fencing off one of the fields (using the electric fencing I already have) to turn it into a smaller paddock, and putting some mud control mats down (I wouldn’t be able to afford to do the whole paddock, just maybe one edge, the gateway and an area for hay), now while the grass is growing so the grass grows into them, hoping that this means they’ll not be so slippery in winter? But it would still be on a slope… Also the actual mud control mats are SO expensive, I wonder if the copies would be any good? Also i’ve seen people putting carpet fibre down on it’s own (and actual carpets!), any of you used them?

I don’t have a ‘yard’ for them to wander in, which I would have loved…

Obviously I want to avoid digging soil / buying a load of stuff as it needs to be as CHEAP as possible, after having my funds depleated with very large vets bills and 2 new fitted saddles (not to mention I not long ago bought a house) :( also no road planings/chippings as they’re too permanent and the boss won’t allow it (dad).

Can people please share some suggestions on the most cost effective ways to make a semi-decent winter turnout paddock? Nothing too ‘permanent’ as next year I’d like to make a proper long-term paddock (or potentially even all weather track around 1/2 fields) with drainage/surface etc for winter. The stables will also be rebuilt next year and since we’re downsizing the number, we’ll make them XL sized.

Very much appreciated!
 

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Wood chips? Although they take a long time to rot down and you'll need a lot of them, as they have to be topped up regularly (we've used them in gateways, I'm not sure about doing a whole paddock). I've also seen people mention wool (although haven't tried it myself), again for gateways, so I'm not sure how that would work all over a paddock.
 

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Can you fence off an area to be sacrificed, and use straw once it gets muddy? Not sure how deep your mud gets but creating a large straw bed might work, topped up as required. Then in spring get it scraped off and reseeded.
I don’t think straw would work so well, as I’ve seen what happens to the hay areas in mud, it just combines and creates a hay/mud mix.


I’m only looking to do an area say 15m x 15m. Which I will fence off. Maybe wood chips could work, but I think there would have to be some kind of retaining frame to keep them within an area (or I suppose, just make the wood chip area a little big.

Not sure how deep of a layer the wood chips would have to be laid at over the ground?

We don’t have a digger so taking the top layer of soil off isn’t really an option

(again it’s just for this year, next year I’ll make a proper turnout area, with drainage/surface etc)
 

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Wood chips won't work, they will just form a disgusting boggy mulch. Id bite the bullet and get mud control mats. Is there no way you could have the stables open and a path to a sacrifice field with mud mats down so they can come and go?
I wish we could, but the yard/field setup wouldn’t work, as the stables open onto on our driveway and we have people coming and going, with no way to fence them off really. Plus the fields we would use to bog up are further from the house.
 

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We made a sacrifice with wood chip but think 5 or 6 massive artic loads for an area similar to yours but more rectangle.

I then have a fenced off "track" leading to it so they can go in and out basically as they please. A round bale is left out sat on rubber mats.
And to be honest they move no more than they would in a stable it just saves the bedding
 

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The problem is dumping anything on clay tends to compound the issue and you will have a load of stuff to remove when the time comes to put something more permanent in .
When I was on clay some years ago I stables horses in winter and used one paddock for 2 hour turnout in the morning and a 1 hour turnout in the evening.
Once I found someone who could get horses in for me they went out in the morning around 7am until midday and were then fetched in .
There was a fenced small concrete area around the stables and I let each one have a wander about on it ( one at a time) while I mucked out in the evening.
Without access to a digger if you create an area with anything woodchip straw carpet etc you will have a hell of a lot of mess to dig up and dispose of when you come to do something more permanent.
 

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Mud control mats are expensive, there's no way round it, and on a slope they may well be very slippery. Other brands of mat may work better. In my experience digging out and road planings/stone is no more expensive that the mats, although planning may be an issue. A bit of hardstanding is an investment, as I see it. It can come in handy for a variety of purposes - is your dad not persuadable?
 

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It’s one of those things that the only thing that works is some investment. You need a membrane, a lot of stone and another membrane before putting some kind of surface on otherwise it won’t work . Especially on a hill. Mud mats are great if ground is level but only on the area they are on … land management rarely works and never lasts on the cheap.
 

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Appreciate the answers everyone.

Maybe this winter I’ll just have to suck up a messy arena for them to have a runaround, and just make sure they get ridden / exercised of some sort daily. Maybe some deeper beds in the stables too for extra comfort (they do have mats).

And next year I will have the funds to put a proper turnout area in place, levelled with drainage and a decent surface.
 

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When you say you have no hard standing - do you not have anything outside your stables or a walk way up to the arena - or even some hard standing for parking cars/trailer/lorry etc? If not, would your dad be persuaded to put that it now before the building work is done? I'm guessing the stables will be staying on the same foot print? With that in place you could use that area for 'outside time' this winter while your more permanent winter turnout is sorted.
 

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We have tried carpet, wool, woodchip, straw, even grass mats. It all ends up the same way, a muddy rotting mess. Mud mats are the only thing we have found that work, can be relocated and hold their value.
Agree with this unfortunately although I don't use them I know people that have tried everything else and it just creates more Bog.
 

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Is there any room around the arena? I’ve always thought a hard standing track around the arena with hay stations at the corners is a good idea for a winter track.

We used road planings for our hard standing. You would need to hire someone with a digger to dig a base, add a bit of rough hardcore and then cover with planings. We didn’t have a membrane under ours and it’s on thick clay that gets really boggy. I like that it drains well and has some grip - great in all weather. Ours has been in for over 10 years now and it’s a life saver.

And don’t be tempted to try hay, straw, wood chip, carpet etc - they all make the situation worse after a few weeks!
 

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Is there any room around the arena? I’ve always thought a hard standing track around the arena with hay stations at the corners is a good idea for a winter track.

We used road planings for our hard standing. You would need to hire someone with a digger to dig a base, add a bit of rough hardcore and then cover with planings. We didn’t have a membrane under ours and it’s on thick clay that gets really boggy. I like that it drains well and has some grip - great in all weather. Ours has been in for over 10 years now and it’s a life saver.

And don’t be tempted to try hay, straw, wood chip, carpet etc - they all make the situation worse after a few weeks!
Unfortunately not, the arena is built right up to a bunch of OLD trees! And it’s dug out of a steep bank too so it’s not a flat area. We are on a hill, all the fields / stables etc.
When we do it properly, we’re going to have to dig out a lot of earth to make a flat area.

I think the difference across our 23m wide arena is like 3/4m in height dug out / built up!!
 
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