Chilli Morning - info?

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So, has anyone got any more info or thoughts on this stallion?
He seems to be one that has never really been much publicised or talked about but he is clearly doing well, with his recent 2** star win at Weston being further evidence of that. In fact, when you look up his BE record, he actually has a VERY impressive 151 points...not bad for an 8 yr old in only his 3rd season. Plus, his record this season especially is VERY impressive with him also winning 100 of his 151 point in this season alone!!!

So....what are people's thoughts on him or does anyone have any further info on him? I know he's SHBGB graded and according to his write up in Eventing mag this month he is off at stud being collected from at the moment and so I would have thought he would be having a lot of interest in him at the moment.....
 
Why did he fail? (Again, a case of how do you find out?)

He does look good; & I like his breeding; by a TB out of a trakh- trahk... oh heck- I STILL can't spell that word...(Volatis.. where are you?)

Given that his owners clearly do intend to breed him in that he is still entire & they are collecting semen, and he certainly seems to be earning the right to breed by his performance, what are his options now or in the future re. grading- and what are our options as mare owners re. using him?
 
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I dont know which Trakehner mother line he is from, but some nice names in that half of his pedigree. Ravel is the sire of Hasadeur who stood in the uK. and his sire Mahagoni is one of the all time greats, but also in a lot of pedigrees.

Have to say never heard of his sire Phantmoic, but in pedigree tersm Chilli morning would have eligibke to be register with the TBF in the preliminary register and certainly his offspring could get part bred Trakehner papers

Like you say would be interesting to know what the SHB failed him on, as for some mare owners it might be nothing to worry about
 
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I've been googling for a good clear picture of him or some video & can find nothing...

Edited to say I STILL got it wrong & had to correct all my corrections. I have a real mental block with - now lets see if I can do it- Trakehner....
 
Well I hadn't heard of Phantomic but of course the Northern Dancer side of his pedigree is an obvious good point but what also caught my eye with his pedigree is that Phantomic's dam's damsire is Abernant, who is of course the grand sire of one of 'our' mare's Beth and so it is always interesting to see him in a pedigree of a decent horse as the Abernant lines seem to be appearing more in eventing in recent years in the UK through his son Able Albert, with one of his son's being Andrew Hoy's Advanced/*** horse Peaceful Consort and another being Mark Kyle's Advanced horse Willow Fairgreen Attraction (interestingly enough Able Albert was the top sire of eventers in the USA in 2007).

Have no idea how to find out why he failed the SHBGB grading but that's not something that bothers me hugely as they fail on things like lack of competition record, etc in 4 yr olds and he has certainly proven himself in that field now!
 
I wonder if it was his conformation that failed...there are some pics of him stood up in hand if you google his name. He looks fine stood up, but not the most handsome. Still, performance is what matters!

He's got a really fantastic record I agree, especially considering that he hasnt been produced by someone like Pip Funnell or WFP.

His pedigree concerns me tho, simply because Ive never heard of any of those names and they are certainly not the best of TB sport horse breeding? Perhaps others would know more. Abernat is quite far back, but he was the sire of Abgar who was an important sire in Dutch warmblood breeding, I think ...
 
looks a nice sort and from the pics is very hard to say as to why he failed. The only thing from the pics tho, is he doesnt seem to move too well behind imo, maybe they think his jump isnt spectacular enough also??? praps????
 
I believe that I am right in saying that this horse has since been offered a grading from the same society that originally failed him - now of course that the horse is doing rather well.

His first batch of foals are due on the ground next spring.......
 
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OMG... an UNGRADED stallion with foals due... the owners should be shot down in flames!!!
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He will be graded though. Like I've said before - sometimes it's about handler experience - not always about the horse's ability or quality.

He's a super sort. Was just unlucky on the day.
 
Agreed, he is a nice looking horse. He's definitely my type of stallion!! Good luck to all the connections.

It looks from the photos that Nick was the one that took him to the grading, maybe he isn't in the 'IN' crowd!!
 
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I believe that I am right in saying that this horse has since been offered a grading from the same society that originally failed him - now of course that the horse is doing rather well.

His first batch of foals are due on the ground next spring.......

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Well SHB wouldnt like to miss out would they
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But joking aside i expect he had one of those failings where a performance record mark took him over the average mark needed.
So once he was proven he would grade without being re inspected.
I think there was a foal by him this year out of someone we knows mare.
 
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Sorry, got my dates wrong. They are on the ground this year.

Old age, doesn't come alone.
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Its not that uncommon for a stallion to not pass his inital inspection, but to be retrospectively graded based on his sport results. Within Trakehners, Camaro, Contrieu and Hannibal and 3 I know off the top of my head, who did very well in the eventing field and so were licensed as older horses. If the panel had felt those stallions had herditary problems they would pass on, they wouldn't grade them, no matter how good their performance.

For owners of nice colts, who dont quite make the grade as 2 1/2yos, the option to compete them, and get te right results at the right level, represnting them as established sporthorses is an option, just a rather expensive one! You have to have real faith in your colt to justify it
 
There have been quite a few stallions who failed their grading and were accepted later. Fleetwater Opposition was turned down at first (which is where Opposition came from) Painted Black was turned down at first too and later accepted with many question marks hanging over his offspring. One of his 4yo has just become runner up in the Swedish young horse championships so he seems to be proving himself as a stallion too.

Having said that I think it must be pretty tough being an inspector. No matter how good you are you are going to make mistakes and fail the occasional superstar.

It isn't obvious why Chilli Morning was turned down as a 7yo with some eventing success under his belt. He looks a nice sort in those photos. Anyone know any more?
 
I did ring and ask why he failed at the time because he was a stallion I had in mind as an out cross to my home fillys and it was on conformation of his front legs, or so I was told but I havent seen him in the flesh to see what they were seeing. But it would be interesting to see what happens when he is represented.
 
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