Dougie
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prose, its prong collars that are illeagal...thankfuly
Choke leads
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prose
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Righty ho, Dougie. I live in the US now and prong collars are still fairly common. I've even seen people walk small dogs in them -- makes me so cross!
ciderminx
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Gosh, this could be a long one....Piaffe, a halti is excellent for these type of situations. Dougie, personally i find i have less control in a harness as you lose control of the dogs head, but each to their own, and you chose what is the best method to control your dog.
Now then this website.....sigh.....what a load of BS, it tells you that if you walk on the righthand side of the dog the check chain wont release...WELL here's an idea.....why not turn the chain around so it does??
''They can have a habit of sticking, especially on longer coated dogs'' Proper show check chains are flat on one side if the chain, this stops any hair becoming traped in them.
''As the dog pulls forward, the handler stops, and jerks or snatches the lead, causing the dog to falter.'' Not true, when teaching your dog to walk to heal, you should maintain your pace (or even be more brisk) when you check the dog.
If you have 8st of junior Rotty on the end of your lead in a show ring and a bad judge who runs all the dogs together, a flat collar will give little control. Surely better to give your dog one sharp check to reaffirm who's top dog, than to go around constantly nagging your dog with tugs?
When people come to our training class they DO tend to use flat collars or half checks....we NEVER give a beginner handler a full check! We assess each handler and dog and give the appropriate training.
Now then this website.....sigh.....what a load of BS, it tells you that if you walk on the righthand side of the dog the check chain wont release...WELL here's an idea.....why not turn the chain around so it does??
''They can have a habit of sticking, especially on longer coated dogs'' Proper show check chains are flat on one side if the chain, this stops any hair becoming traped in them.
''As the dog pulls forward, the handler stops, and jerks or snatches the lead, causing the dog to falter.'' Not true, when teaching your dog to walk to heal, you should maintain your pace (or even be more brisk) when you check the dog.
If you have 8st of junior Rotty on the end of your lead in a show ring and a bad judge who runs all the dogs together, a flat collar will give little control. Surely better to give your dog one sharp check to reaffirm who's top dog, than to go around constantly nagging your dog with tugs?
When people come to our training class they DO tend to use flat collars or half checks....we NEVER give a beginner handler a full check! We assess each handler and dog and give the appropriate training.
Oneofthepack
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the reason why its called a choke chain is because when they pull it will tighten around there necks and thats the whole point! i dont think peopl would make them if it was dangerous for the dogs!
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What's NOT dangerous about tightening a chain around a dogs neck? You're misinformed so go to http://www.dog-school.co.uk and read what the professional says.
the reason why its called a choke chain is because when they pull it will tighten around there necks and thats the whole point! i dont think peopl would make them if it was dangerous for the dogs!
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What's NOT dangerous about tightening a chain around a dogs neck? You're misinformed so go to http://www.dog-school.co.uk and read what the professional says.
ciderminx
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Everything in life is 'dangerous' wearing 6inch heels when im drunk, driving a car over the speed limit....the difference is, is that they have associated risks, of course there is a risk that the check chain will cause damage, but NOT if used correctly.
Tia
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Oh I'm sorry but I am giggling here....no wonder people got a little excited with you.
If you were to hang the dog by the choke chain attached to a sycamore tree branch 10 ft above the ground then yes it would be dangerous. A momentary check on the chain is hardly going to decapitate the animal. For goodness sake don't be so melodramatic.
If you were to hang the dog by the choke chain attached to a sycamore tree branch 10 ft above the ground then yes it would be dangerous. A momentary check on the chain is hardly going to decapitate the animal. For goodness sake don't be so melodramatic.
piaffe
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the reason why its called a choke chain is because when they pull it will tighten around there necks and thats the whole point! i dont think peopl would make them if it was dangerous for the dogs!
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What's NOT dangerous about tightening a chain around a dogs neck? You're misinformed so go to http://www.dog-school.co.uk and read what the professional says.
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sorry but all i can do is PMSL!
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the reason why its called a choke chain is because when they pull it will tighten around there necks and thats the whole point! i dont think peopl would make them if it was dangerous for the dogs!
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What's NOT dangerous about tightening a chain around a dogs neck? You're misinformed so go to http://www.dog-school.co.uk and read what the professional says.
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sorry but all i can do is PMSL!
ciderminx
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gotta say, when i looked at the website, i didnt know wether to sigh and hold my head in my hands at the problem with someone who has a little knowledge, or laugh out loud. unfortunately there are too many, dare i say, 'do gooders' (well their heart is in the right place) but to tar all check chain users with the same brush is narrow minded.
If she had highlighted the pros and cons of using a check chain i would have regarded this website far more highly
If she had highlighted the pros and cons of using a check chain i would have regarded this website far more highly
Oneofthepack
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QUOTE Now then this website.....sigh.....what a load of BS,
How can you says it's BS you cheeky wotsit! Just because you use a particular method of training doesn't make it right and the trainer on the site is very well qualified to give advice. I would far rather train my dogs using methods that cause no discomfort. Why train a dog with pain and the risk of injury when it's not necessary?
QUOTE it tells you that if you walk on the righthand side of the dog the check chain wont release...
No it doesn't! It says that if dogs walk to the left and the lead is set up correctly it will slacken but if the dog is on the right it won't! ie you can only have your dog on one side but sometimes as owners we will want to change the side the dog is walking such as on pavements etc, so what do we do, turn the chain round everytime we want the dog on the other side. Remember we're not all showing dogs in a ring, mine are pet dogs walking in a variety of situations. I have 3 dogs, do I walk them all on either the left or the right with the choke chain set correctly or do I train them so they can all go on either side.
QUOTE ''As the dog pulls forward, the handler stops, and jerks or snatches the lead, causing the dog to falter.'' Not true, when teaching your dog to walk to heal, you should maintain your pace (or even be more brisk) when you check the dog.
What the site describes is exactly what Barbara Woodhouse recommended in her training videos and that's what a lot of people still do. Another veterinary site describes dogs with certain injuries as having 'woodhouse neck'!
All the training classes I've attended have moved on from the choke chain completely. Now the owners are instructed to use lots of praise and the clicker/treat method which works just as well and is so much less aggresive.
I've trained mine this way and 2 of them walk to heel off the lead ...........the other one's a lurcher!
QUOTE it tells you that if you walk on the righthand side of the dog the check chain wont release...
No it doesn't! It says that if dogs walk to the left and the lead is set up correctly it will slacken but if the dog is on the right it won't! ie you can only have your dog on one side but sometimes as owners we will want to change the side the dog is walking such as on pavements etc, so what do we do, turn the chain round everytime we want the dog on the other side. Remember we're not all showing dogs in a ring, mine are pet dogs walking in a variety of situations. I have 3 dogs, do I walk them all on either the left or the right with the choke chain set correctly or do I train them so they can all go on either side.
QUOTE ''As the dog pulls forward, the handler stops, and jerks or snatches the lead, causing the dog to falter.'' Not true, when teaching your dog to walk to heal, you should maintain your pace (or even be more brisk) when you check the dog.
What the site describes is exactly what Barbara Woodhouse recommended in her training videos and that's what a lot of people still do. Another veterinary site describes dogs with certain injuries as having 'woodhouse neck'!
All the training classes I've attended have moved on from the choke chain completely. Now the owners are instructed to use lots of praise and the clicker/treat method which works just as well and is so much less aggresive.
I've trained mine this way and 2 of them walk to heel off the lead ...........the other one's a lurcher!
Oneofthepack
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sorry but all i can do is PMSL!
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Can't..........be...........arsed............anymore
ciderminx
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If she had highlighted the pros and cons of using a check chain i would have regarded this website far more highly
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If you've been to dog training classes that move you on to check chans rapidly, they're not very good. 99% of the people who come to our classes are on flat collars or half checks. You dont 'progress' onto check chains, they're merely another aid. Personally i use whatever collar is closest to hand, normally none!
If she had highlighted the pros and cons of using a check chain i would have regarded this website far more highly
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If you've been to dog training classes that move you on to check chans rapidly, they're not very good. 99% of the people who come to our classes are on flat collars or half checks. You dont 'progress' onto check chains, they're merely another aid. Personally i use whatever collar is closest to hand, normally none!
tw1nn1ejo
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ok guys i really didn't mean this to turn in to an arguement. most of you guys are porbs grown ups and i'm just a kid so i don't wanna get in to this and seem rude! tbh i don't know who's right and who's wrong and who's right all i wanted to know was if you've used one and if it worked well and lmao the questions wern't answerd!
Onyxia
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I did!
Yes, used them, yes they did a good job.
Yes, used them, yes they did a good job.
tw1nn1ejo
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lol thanx anima
jinglejoys
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Can't vote because the questions wrong--no such thing as a choke chain as mentioned but yes I've always used a check chain my dogs never pull (Giant Schnauzers) and if used on a long line like a lead rope on a horse the size of the dog doesn't matter.
Hate seeing dogs in harnesses.Harnesses are supposed to make it comfortable for a dog to lead (Sledge dogs,trackers,guide dogs)not to stop them from leading and if the dog gets behind and the owner doesn't take notice the porr animal is dragged along with no way of stopping itself (Once saw a brat yo-yo ing a little terrier and it had no way of stopping her)
Hate seeing dogs in harnesses.Harnesses are supposed to make it comfortable for a dog to lead (Sledge dogs,trackers,guide dogs)not to stop them from leading and if the dog gets behind and the owner doesn't take notice the porr animal is dragged along with no way of stopping itself (Once saw a brat yo-yo ing a little terrier and it had no way of stopping her)
Dougie
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JJ, personaly i find a harness the best thing for my vizsla, possibly because he isnt a little terrier who can be swung about.
meandmyself
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Wow, lots of strong opinions in here!
Yes, I've used a check chain, yes it worked. My lovely GSD (who died of old age, nothing to do with the coller!) came to me as a awful puller. Nothing worked- he would not tolarate a halti on his face, and I had no control in a flat coller. The check chain worked.
Someone mentioned clickers- my current dog hates them- he runs away as soon as he sees it.
Yes, I've used a check chain, yes it worked. My lovely GSD (who died of old age, nothing to do with the coller!) came to me as a awful puller. Nothing worked- he would not tolarate a halti on his face, and I had no control in a flat coller. The check chain worked.
Someone mentioned clickers- my current dog hates them- he runs away as soon as he sees it.
sojeph
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I've always known them as choke chains!
I have 2 JRT's and a collie. One jack and the collie pull like trains with anything other than a harness.
Hate choke/check chains personally
I have 2 JRT's and a collie. One jack and the collie pull like trains with anything other than a harness.
Hate choke/check chains personally
Dougie
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brok...loves clickers...he eats the dam things!!! lol
Tia
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no such thing as a choke chain
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I've always known them as choke chains!
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I guess it isn't PC to call them "choke" chains anymore Sojeph.........
........they were ALWAYS known as choke chains when I was growing up.
Here is a link which could be of interest: The use of choke chains
no such thing as a choke chain
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I've always known them as choke chains!
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I guess it isn't PC to call them "choke" chains anymore Sojeph.........
........they were ALWAYS known as choke chains when I was growing up.
Here is a link which could be of interest: The use of choke chains
tw1nn1ejo
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yup very stong opinions! i've always nown them to be choke chains never check chains
. to me it seems like it depends really on what sort of dog u have on wether a harness works better or a choke chainor as some of u call it "check chain". but to me a choke lead has worked really well!!
Onyxia
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to me it seems like it depends really on what sort of dog u have on wether a harness works better or a choke chainor as some of u call it "check chain". but to me a choke lead has worked really well!!
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For some thats clickers(a;though mine just liked eating them!) for some a harness others a choke chain (always called them that and not changing now, cant stnad most of the PC bull!).
If your dog is happy and it works fab.
to me it seems like it depends really on what sort of dog u have on wether a harness works better or a choke chainor as some of u call it "check chain". but to me a choke lead has worked really well!!
[/ QUOTE ]Exactly, you use what is most efective on the dog.
For some thats clickers(a;though mine just liked eating them!) for some a harness others a choke chain (always called them that and not changing now, cant stnad most of the PC bull!).
If your dog is happy and it works fab.
tw1nn1ejo
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thanks for agreeing with me anima!
henryhorn
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As a former obedience competitor we were always advised to use choke chains, however I tried a halti on this GR and it works far better!
I no longer use the halti just the end of the lead looped over his nose and back through his collar, it works beautifully.
you do need to persist as they roll, scratch at the halti but eventually give in and stop pulling completely.
I no longer use the halti just the end of the lead looped over his nose and back through his collar, it works beautifully.
you do need to persist as they roll, scratch at the halti but eventually give in and stop pulling completely.
jinglejoys
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"I guess it isn't PC to call them "choke" chains anymore Sojeph.........
........they were ALWAYS known as choke chains when I was growing up"
I started proffessionally training dogs in the 60's and was always told by my instructor who trained dogs for the army and police that they always be called check chains because if you were choking the dog you were using it wrong
........they were ALWAYS known as choke chains when I was growing up"
I started proffessionally training dogs in the 60's and was always told by my instructor who trained dogs for the army and police that they always be called check chains because if you were choking the dog you were using it wrong
tw1nn1ejo
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lol i see now jnglejoys! ok sorry for those of u that in confused
Onyxia
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"I guess it isn't PC to call them "choke" chains anymore Sojeph.........
........they were ALWAYS known as choke chains when I was growing up"
I started proffessionally training dogs in the 60's and was always told by my instructor who trained dogs for the army and police that they always be called check chains because if you were choking the dog you were using it wrong
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So thats where it came from-learn something new every day,lol!
I was told by a dog trainer they were choke chains, all the pets shops ect called them that so it just stuck.
"I guess it isn't PC to call them "choke" chains anymore Sojeph.........
........they were ALWAYS known as choke chains when I was growing up"
I started proffessionally training dogs in the 60's and was always told by my instructor who trained dogs for the army and police that they always be called check chains because if you were choking the dog you were using it wrong
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So thats where it came from-learn something new every day,lol!
I was told by a dog trainer they were choke chains, all the pets shops ect called them that so it just stuck.
tw1nn1ejo
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yeh thats the same with me lol thats all ive heard them as
Onyxia
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yeh thats the same with me lol thats all ive heard them as
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LOL, at least we all know what we are talking about- whatever you want to call them!
yeh thats the same with me lol thats all ive heard them as
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LOL, at least we all know what we are talking about- whatever you want to call them!
tw1nn1ejo
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yup yup