Classical dressage training????? :-O

I really couldn't be bothered to watch past 1.15 but I'm disgusted with the riding. Why on earth is such a poor rider on a 5 yr old? I assume it's her own horse but she really would be better going back to a RS 'plod'. I can't imagine her being well- recieved in a dressage test. If that was her RI in the middle, she needs to find a new one.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
I really couldn't be bothered to watch past 1.15 but I'm disgusted with the riding. Why on earth is such a poor rider on a 5 yr old? I assume it's her own horse but she really would be better going back to a RS 'plod'. I can't imagine her being well- recieved in a dressage test. If that was her RI in the middle, she needs to find a new one.
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You need to watch till the trainer gets on ... disgraceful !!!
 
I don't honestly understand your issue ,trainer gets on corrects the horse praises it when it gets it right.
Horses must not ignore the leg.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
They should however ignore being pulled in the mouth at the same time as being kicked on?
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I am not saying it was a stylish performance just that I see what all the fuss is about .
I more curious as to the mental process of the person who thought it was a good idea to put it on FB I don't really get FB but think I might have kept that one to myself.
 
did they say it was a welsh sec A???? couldnt quite tell, but possibly shows how much they know!
the horse obviously has some kind of back/ hind end 'stiffness' and the poor riding has made it relucant to go forwards!
the trainer...... where do u start? the slapping on the neck did it for me...how does the horse know it's 'done well' if you hit it just as hard to praise it as when you tell it off/make it go forwards?
 
Goldenstar said:
I don't honestly understand your issue ,trainer gets on corrects the horse praises it when it gets it right.
Horses must not ignore the leg.
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Please please please tell me you are on the wind up?!

I actually screamed when the instructor got on and did that massive belt :eek: the poor horse. How the chuff is it to be expected to go forwards when its being gobbed and kicked constantly.

In order for the horse to go forwards the ribcage has to be able to swing, for the hind leg to step under the rib cage swings out of the way. The RC cannot swing if the horse is tensing it to protect itself from being kicked, like if I stood and punched you in the stomach repeatedly.

This is a disgusting example of how NOT to instruct and how NOT to ride.

Its is NOT classical dressage, nor does the video purport to be, so this thread title is very misleading.
 
well im surprised it has been posted on youtube to be honest,, sorry its probably just me but i was quite shocked and think its awful, i was just interested on what you lot thought of it really...
 
TandD said:
did they say it was a welsh sec A???? couldnt quite tell, but possibly shows how much they know!
the horse obviously has some kind of back/ hind end 'stiffness' and the poor riding has made it relucant to go forwards!
the trainer...... where do u start? the slapping on the neck did it for me...how does the horse know it's 'done well' if you hit it just as hard to praise it as when you tell it off/make it go forwards?
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I did not hear that but if it's a section a it's clearly been on growth hormone, I will concede that the trainers neck slapping was OTT .
 
But the horse looks so uncomfortable. It looks like it's in pain, not being naughty and the saddle is slipping terribly. Of course, we don't know any history but to me he looks sore :(
 
TigerTail said:
Please please please tell me you are on the wind up?!

I actually screamed when the instructor got on and did that massive belt :eek: the poor horse. How the chuff is it to be expected to go forwards when its being gobbed and kicked constantly.

In order for the horse to go forwards the ribcage has to be able to swing, for the hind leg to step under the rib cage swings out of the way. The RC cannot swing if the horse is tensing it to protect itself from being kicked, like if I stood and punched you in the stomach repeatedly.

This is a disgusting example of how NOT to instruct and how NOT to ride.

Its is NOT classical dressage, nor does the video purport to be, so this thread title is very misleading.
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No it's not any thing to do with classical dressage not sure why the thread has that title.
I am honestly not shocked or outraged by it you can see that sort of approach all the time.
 
I just googled.... you tube shows another video where she is on british working equitation team, i read somewhere she was a classical trainer but didnt think this was classical training :-/ thats why i put the question marks
 
The horse is clearly not right behind and the first woman had no clue and no independent hands, the instructor even says how crap the saddle is. However if you removed the lameness, the saddle, the first woman and the weirdly aggressive 'patting' the principle behind the smack instead of nagging is sound.

However what an awful video to be putting in public.
 
Goldenstar said:
I am honestly not shocked or outraged by it you can see that sort of approach all the time.
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Just because you see it all the time (i dont!) doesnt make it an acceptable way in which to treat a horse, nor an effective way to ride/train/instruct!!!

For a horse to be that anti going forwards something is wrong - either its in pain from tack, legs, the rider is blocking it or both. In this case both.
 
Goldenstar said:
I am not saying it was a stylish performance just that I see what all the fuss is about .
I more curious as to the mental process of the person who thought it was a good idea to put it on FB I don't really get FB but think I might have kept that one to myself.
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I wasn't so concerned by the style as by the effect. I did only watch to 1.15, as I was bored rigid by that point. Up to then I had seen a horse trying to understand what the extremely poor rider wanted it to do and to follow those instructions. However as the rider was completely unable to communicate her intentions to the horse, it really didn't know whether to go backwards or forwards. I gather from other posts that if I had continued to watch, I would have seen the horse being punished for this attempt.
How appalling and i have to say I'm surprised at you - I don't know you in RL but had formed a better impression of you from your previous posts than this post gives me.
 
This is absolutely disgusting! How much more of a clue can the poor horse give them that its in pain than to kick out with its hind leg. Poor thing. I feel so sorry for the horse, I feel sorry for the original rider that she obviously doesn't know any better and doesn't realise how damaging this instructor is being on her horse. What is wrong with some people. :(
 
goldenstar - i think your very right that this 'style' of riding is actually quite common, which is incredibly sad as is anything really ever achieved by this? i dont think the horse really learnt anything very positive from that 'lesson' and i expect was even more difficult for the owner next time she got on!

even at shows now i see ££££'s of £'s of horses being shoved, pulled, whiped and spured around warm ups and kicked round a test...and thats at BD events.....unaffiliated...i close my eyes occassionally. i feel sorry for the horses that end up with these poor riders.... they may be great owners but shouldnt be riding like that!
 
Pearlsasinger said:
I wasn't so concerned by the style as by the effect. I did only watch to 1.15, as I was bored rigid by that point. Up to then I had seen a horse trying to understand what the extremely poor rider wanted it to do and to follow those instructions. However as the rider was completely unable to communicate her intentions to the horse, it really didn't know whether to go backwards or forwards. I gather from other posts that if I had continued to watch, I would have seen the horse being punished for this attempt.
How appalling and i have to say I'm surprised at you - I don't know you in RL but had formed a better impression of you from your previous posts than this post gives me.
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No it was corrected for ignoring the leg then praised in a rather wierd way but it was definatly corrected for ignoring an aid not punished .then sort of pushed forward it was strange on many levels but the trainer only used the whip to correct ignoring an aid no punishment only correction when the trainer used the whip she did no messing no nagging.

As for the lesson I could not work out what was going on at all.
 
Goldenstar said:
I don't honestly understand your issue ,trainer gets on corrects the horse praises it when it gets it right.
Horses must not ignore the leg.
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Seriously ! The praise being hard smacks on the neck! It's wrong from beginning to end. This is no way to train or correct a horse. This is no way to ride a horse! The initial rider was blocking it's forward movement completely and frankly any horse will move if you whack it that hard. It's just not necessary. It should never be necessary. As regards to classical dressage this little display is the total opposite of what CD is supposed to be. A great example of how tolerant a horse can be. poor creature. :mad:
 
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