Bounty
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Is the thing about CC saddles not being suitable for long duration use (hunting, hacking etc) a myth or is there some truth in it?
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Discuss!
Close contact saddles for everyday/continous use?
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RachelFerd
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Definitely some truth in it!
CC saddles have smaller surface weight bearing area, and therefore there will be more pressure on a smaller area of the horses back - therefore you would expect greater pressure related problems...
just think that they are nearly opposite in many respects to a standard design of 'endurance' saddle, so there must be some reason in that.
CC saddles have smaller surface weight bearing area, and therefore there will be more pressure on a smaller area of the horses back - therefore you would expect greater pressure related problems...
just think that they are nearly opposite in many respects to a standard design of 'endurance' saddle, so there must be some reason in that.
AutumnRose
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Interesting...that makes sense although never really thought about it before.
That being said i have one saddle for jumping and one for dressage so i hack and hunt in my cc jump saddle everyday......as do loads of people. I wonder how many problems with back etc are related to this....
That being said i have one saddle for jumping and one for dressage so i hack and hunt in my cc jump saddle everyday......as do loads of people. I wonder how many problems with back etc are related to this....
Jane_Lou
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I had a black country Vinici GP which is a close contact and started having some problems with horses back. Saddle was checked and fine but back still sore, got back lady out and she recommended riding in a poly pad doubler which did help but in the end I got rid of it and now have an albion Kontrol for hacking, jumping etc and have no more problems.
RachelFerd
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as do I - being realistic, can't have 1 saddle for dressage, 1 for jumping, 1 for hacking, 1 for showing....
although I think in many cases it might be wiser to use a well-fitting dressage saddle for long slow hacks, but a CC jump for shorter faster hacks.
although I think in many cases it might be wiser to use a well-fitting dressage saddle for long slow hacks, but a CC jump for shorter faster hacks.
Quarrybank
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I always hack in my dressage saddle & only put my CC jumping saddle on for fast work or competing for this reason.
Dressage saddle more comfetable for me to!
Dressage saddle more comfetable for me to!
monica987
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I generally hack/jump/hunt/fast work in CC jumping saddle and dressage with occasional hack in my dressage.
A lot of my hacks have the odd log or wall thrown in for good measure and I find it hard enough sitting to my horses jump in a jump saddle...let alone long stirrups and a dressage saddle!
A lot of my hacks have the odd log or wall thrown in for good measure and I find it hard enough sitting to my horses jump in a jump saddle...let alone long stirrups and a dressage saddle!
Gamebird
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Ah, you see I have 3 saddles (which was fine when I had 3 horses but looks a bit extreme now I only have 1
).
I am often on a horse's back for 6 hours on a hunting day so do that in a normal Kieffer GP. I do have a dressage saddle and a single flap XC saddle but don't ride much in them at home - I jump at home in the GP (though I should probably jump more in the XC saddle for practice) and do some flatwork in the GP and swao to my dressage saddle for a bit before a competition (can't do sitting trot or long stirrups in the GP).
It's a bit excessive but I feel they all have their place.
I am often on a horse's back for 6 hours on a hunting day so do that in a normal Kieffer GP. I do have a dressage saddle and a single flap XC saddle but don't ride much in them at home - I jump at home in the GP (though I should probably jump more in the XC saddle for practice) and do some flatwork in the GP and swao to my dressage saddle for a bit before a competition (can't do sitting trot or long stirrups in the GP).
It's a bit excessive but I feel they all have their place.
MillbrookSong
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Well everything is done in my CC - but i think now the way they are made they are very much the same surface area underneath as a GP saddle have.
My dressage saddle dosnt fit me or song well so only use it for comps!!
My dressage saddle dosnt fit me or song well so only use it for comps!!
Bounty
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Hmmmm... you lot echo my sentiments. It's just that there are so many people out there using CC saddles for everyday use that I thought that perhaps I was being too set in my ways
What do you all think about CC saddles fitted to accommodate a prolite? Would that be sufficient to dissipate the pressure enough to make the pressure more comparable to a standard panel saddle?
What do you all think about CC saddles fitted to accommodate a prolite? Would that be sufficient to dissipate the pressure enough to make the pressure more comparable to a standard panel saddle?
monica987
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I always use a riser pad (foam) with any saddles I use as Haddy is a really odd shape and it just reasures me (doesn't really need it though!). I think it is just more comfortable for him
Not really answered your question though!
Not really answered your question though!
trefilan
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I always use my cc for hacking with a polypad and a prolite. It ma be eccesive but the horse does have a weak back so I do everything possible. I think a well fitting cc doesnt do any harm and most of us doesn't have the money to get a gp to hack in!
kirstyhen
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I have three saddles (
) but never ride in my GP as it was fitted to Hen when he was the size of a house, and at 16 inches my arse would never fit in it!
I rarely ride in my dressage (and should really sell it along with my GP) because I don't ever want to, although when I do ride in it I feel a difference, so should probably ride in it much more.
My Jumping saddle is a CC (according to the manufacturers!) but the panels are the same size as my other saddles, it's the one that fits me the best and Hen always goes well in it, so I ride in it all the time.
When Hen is ready to start his ridden walking I will do it in my Dressage saddle, as I can ride long and sit on my arse!
I rarely ride in my dressage (and should really sell it along with my GP) because I don't ever want to, although when I do ride in it I feel a difference, so should probably ride in it much more.
My Jumping saddle is a CC (according to the manufacturers!) but the panels are the same size as my other saddles, it's the one that fits me the best and Hen always goes well in it, so I ride in it all the time.
When Hen is ready to start his ridden walking I will do it in my Dressage saddle, as I can ride long and sit on my arse!
seabiscuit
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I think there is definately truth in this...
Christmas Crumpet
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I had a CC when I first bought my TB. He has hollows beneath his withers so saddle fitted slightly wide in the hope he'd fill out. Fitted with a prolite. Saddle caused big white patches in wither hollows and both back lady and new saddler made me promise never to ride in a CC every day (I rode Happy in his for 3 months). They are made to go XC or SJ for a minimum amount of time NOT for every day use!!
Not sure how much truth there is in that but they put the fear of god into me and so I will never use one for every day use again. Plus I hate seeing the white patches on my boy's back.
Not sure how much truth there is in that but they put the fear of god into me and so I will never use one for every day use again. Plus I hate seeing the white patches on my boy's back.
LEC
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I never ride out in CC saddles hacking unless doing fast work. Always ride out in my dressage saddle. I did have to hunt in my old CC but used thick sheepskin numnah and prolite. My new CC will be wool flocked so get best of both worlds of a CC which can be used over longer periods of time.
SpottedCat
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This is one of the reasons why I bought the ideal springbok - it is wool flocked so much more suitable for longer hacks etc.
ccooxxyy
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Definitly truth in it, I am lucky to have a GP saddle to hack out in, a dressage saddle and a single flap jumping saddle. horses do tend to get pretty sore in their backs from continuous use of CC saddles. They were designed for use in short durations of time with weight out of the saddle, IE when jumping!! Any reputabale master saddle fitter will reiterate this fact.
beatrice
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My saddler said all off the above! He also mentionned that it was alot to do with the thickness of the panels. In a cc they are thinner hence less to absorb pressure. He said use a prolite apart from when actually competing as that is the only time you really need to be that close to the horse.
I only use my cc for jumping or fast work and have a sheepskin half pad under it as i havn't got round to buying a prolite yet. I do everything else in my dressage saddle.
I only use my cc for jumping or fast work and have a sheepskin half pad under it as i havn't got round to buying a prolite yet. I do everything else in my dressage saddle.
rocketdog69
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I have two CC saddles, both are Strada Saddles, (formerly Michela Leng) Before I managed to borrow my friends Strada jumping saddle I hunted, hacked, cross countried, showed absolutely everything in my dressage saddle with no problems at all. Now I have a Strada jumping saddle I do every discipline in that one too!
My horses have never had a twinge or a back problem in their lives in fact when checked by physio working for Amanda Sutton she said she had never come across a horse that wasnt slightly sore somewhere!
The Stradas are designed to sit very slightly further back than the average saddle which means the horse carries the weight where he really wants too!
Mind you Strada Saddles are technically far and away ahead of any average saddle and not cheap to boot (£1500) but worth every penny.
So sorry peeps, I disagree with you all as I use nothing but CC saddles and wouldnt change them for anything!
My horses have never had a twinge or a back problem in their lives in fact when checked by physio working for Amanda Sutton she said she had never come across a horse that wasnt slightly sore somewhere!
The Stradas are designed to sit very slightly further back than the average saddle which means the horse carries the weight where he really wants too!
Mind you Strada Saddles are technically far and away ahead of any average saddle and not cheap to boot (£1500) but worth every penny.
So sorry peeps, I disagree with you all as I use nothing but CC saddles and wouldnt change them for anything!
millitiger
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i hack etc in my pessoa and have never had any problems with horses backs (they are regularly checked).
i use a normal polypad for normal work and put an additional sheepskin pad underneath when we do longer/faster hacks which are generally 2 hours of mainly trotting up steep hills.
i use a normal polypad for normal work and put an additional sheepskin pad underneath when we do longer/faster hacks which are generally 2 hours of mainly trotting up steep hills.
Hesperus
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Doesn't it depend on the saddle? I have an Albion Kontrol and a Kontact and I would usually hack/jump/canter in them and just use my dressage for actual schooling. Physio sees my horses every few months and is very happy with them under the saddle. Even the cc Albions have wide panels and bearing surfaces.
Maybe more issues come from the amerigo style saddles which lift up at the back? (Just a thought - I have no real idea really so please no one lynch me for suggesting this!)
Maybe more issues come from the amerigo style saddles which lift up at the back? (Just a thought - I have no real idea really so please no one lynch me for suggesting this!)
aran
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The youngster that I have just bought was being ridden in a cc continuously and he had real sore patches. I've changed the saddle and his back is fine now. I'd never ride everyday in a cc.
I only use 2nd hand saddles as my TB changes shape and the youngster is going to completely change. I take my 2 up to the saddler every 6 months or so and have the saddle checked. Most of the time i end up swapping at least one in. I have a GP and a dressage for both now.
I only use 2nd hand saddles as my TB changes shape and the youngster is going to completely change. I take my 2 up to the saddler every 6 months or so and have the saddle checked. Most of the time i end up swapping at least one in. I have a GP and a dressage for both now.