Clwyd versus donkey pushed off cliff in Syria

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Am I being unduly cynical, or does it say something about us all that, when I looked at the forum earlier this evening, there were 6,000 views and 1400+ responses to the "Step away from Clwyd" page, but only 2,422 views (admittedly it is ghastly viewing) and 48 responses to the louts in Syria shoving the donkey off the cliff?
 
Rose Folly said:
Am I being unduly cynical, or does it say something about us all that, when I looked at the forum earlier this evening, there were 6,000 views and 1400+ responses to the "Step away from Clwyd" page, but only 2,422 views (admittedly it is ghastly viewing) and 48 responses to the louts in Syria shoving the donkey off the cliff?
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No, I would say you aren't wrong.

I despair with this forum sometimes. I once posted a thread relating to a succesful prosecution of a major case involving cock fighting, with a fantastic outcome. I think around ten people commented. Yet people on this forum shout about being animal welfare minded.

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Well yeah... the Clwyd thread was started about a month ago, and the donkey thread was started a couple of days ago. I think what it says is pretty obvious - though if you want more depth, the title of the Clwyd thread is pretty enticing if you don't know what it's about and want to find out - the title of the donkey thread suggests something unpleasant, and not everyone wants to investigate that right away. But that's really scraping the barrel.

The one with more views is a month older than the other, enough said :)
 
Personally I don't now what the Clwyd post is. I am however a donkey owner. The last thing I would want to see then, is a clip of a donkey being thrown off a cliff. Other than typing oh isn't that horrible, vile scum etc there's not much point in looking at it. We all know what animals have to put up with in these places incidents like that are all too common. Just look at the way they are treating each other in Syria ATM.

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress

can be judged by the ways its animals are treated" ~~Ghandi
 
Clywd I suppose people feel they can do something about - although apart from commenting on the pro-Clywd page and then getting banned I'm not sure if anyone is trying to actively do something as I haven't read it all?

The poor Donkey is really outside any influence on the forum but I expect people do care - I certainly give to overseas animal charities. There is only so much misery people can deal with.
 
Whilst vile and disgusting the poor donkey appeared to be a one-off drunken act of cruelty.

The Clwyd case is systematic neglect, to the point of actual death, going back many years and affecting dozens of horses.

Plus there is little we can do to affect thinking in another country but there is just a chance we can change things for the better here.

After all.. charity is said to begin at home.
 
Floxie said:
Well yeah... the Clwyd thread was started about a month ago, and the donkey thread was started a couple of days ago. I think what it says is pretty obvious - though if you want more depth, the title of the Clwyd thread is pretty enticing if you don't know what it's about and want to find out - the title of the donkey thread suggests something unpleasant, and not everyone wants to investigate that right away. But that's really scraping the barrel.

The one with more views is a month older than the other, enough said :)
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Exactly plus the clwyd threat is the sort contributors will be back on time and time again.

I hadn't even seen the donkey thread, I think you are reading too much into the viewing figures here op.
 
The clwyd thread is a whole different ball game to the donkey one

The biggest being that the thread was on the back end of s programme that totally manipulated it's viewers, but most of us didn't realise that until the threads grew legs. Those threads aren't just how disgusting the situation was, it's got continuous new information from people who have first handed seen the cruelty, and each update is then discussed again. You also have to remember some people were manipulated by the programme to hand over hard warned cash

I for one have been keeping an eye on the clwyd thread, as I was hoodwinked by the programme ( not enough to part with anything mind, apart from a few tears) and so have found the thread and it's links a real eye opener and feel clwyd and all involved need to be stopped for the sake of those poor horses dying a slow and painful death

The donkey one on the other hand, I didn't watch nor comment on although I did lurk on the thread. I knew it was a sick act, which I know happens in many countries as did chimpanzee killings some years ago. It sickens me to the stomach but there was nothing on the thread that I could really say apart from how sickening. I also couldn't help that donkey as it had already met with its fate.

The two really are worlds apart, and I think you're looking too deeply into it :)
 
U dissin ma thread!?

:D

I echo what Ladyinred says.
While the donkey episode is truly awful, beyond saying 'oh how horrid' there's not really much more to contribute.

On the Clwyd one however, it's a story that kept (and keeps!) changing and growing, where some of the people involved really are trying to make a difference.
 
lazybee said:
The last thing I would want to see then, is a clip of a donkey being thrown off a cliff. Other than typing oh isn't that horrible, vile scum etc there's not much point in looking at it. We all know what animals have to put up with in these places incidents like that are all too common. Just look at the way they are treating each other in Syria ATM.

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress

can be judged by the ways its animals are treated" ~~Ghandi
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Same here. I now avoid looking at any video clips about animals being brutalised. I know it goes on but there is only so much I can erase from my visual memory when I see something horrible. :(
 
misterjay said:
The poor donk is dead now; all we can do is add pressure to punish the perpetrators, and prevent it happening again.

Clwyd (BH)'s horses are, for the most part, still alive, so there is hope that some can be saved.
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Ditto. Would also add in a war zone they are not going to spare a second thought over the killing of a donkey, no matter how cruely done. No reason to accept the abuse of horses in the 'care' of Clywd in the UK.
 
Probably because I for one and probably a lot of others are sick to death of cruelty vids and pics popping up all over the internet, not to say I don't care, I do, but am sick of these things putting me on a downer if I look at them, no offence meant to you op !!
 
Rose Folly said:
Am I being unduly cynical, or does it say something about us all that, when I looked at the forum earlier this evening, there were 6,000 views and 1400+ responses to the "Step away from Clwyd" page, but only 2,422 views (admittedly it is ghastly viewing) and 48 responses to the louts in Syria shoving the donkey off the cliff?
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I'm sorry but I couldn't watch it and what could I say/do if I had? how awful it was? what nasty cretins they are. Does that not go without saying?

It's like the people who post things up on FB (especially when they put it on my wall)-I know there is great cruelty in the world, I do not have to watch it. All I can do is support some of those organisations who work to help-which I do.

as for the Clwyd thing, well truth will out and some people just love the drama and love to be outraged (on both sides of the fence).
 
Rose Folly said:
Am I being unduly cynical, or does it say something about us all that, when I looked at the forum earlier this evening, there were 6,000 views and 1400+ responses to the "Step away from Clwyd" page, but only 2,422 views (admittedly it is ghastly viewing) and 48 responses to the louts in Syria shoving the donkey off the cliff?
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Not really.

It says that people are trying to change an awful ongoing situation involving more than a handful of animals, local enough that their efforts can have an effect. Should people be sitting in silence and letting him get on with it instead?

It says more to me wanting to watch a video of a donkey being pushed of a cliff when realistically what can be done to prevent it?
 
PandorasJar said:
It says more to me wanting to watch a video of a donkey being pushed of a cliff when realistically what can be done to prevent it?
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It is an example of human attitudes, which are global. Perhaps you have a point though but I can't do anything about people who have far too many animals than they can look after either really can I, unless they live near me. :confused:
 
Just to elaborate on my point... how many times have I read... "It's my horse, I'll do what I want with it"
The question is... at what point does this 'right' over animals we all assume, become not all right and even cruel?
 
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amandap said:
It is an example of human attitudes, which are global. Perhaps you have a point though but I can't do anything about people who have far too many animals than they can look after either really can I, unless they live near me. :confused:
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If you read the Clwyd (sp) page you'll see there is actually a lot being done. BHS and RSPCA are involved. With enough people pushing them there is bound to be a good response at some point. Far from not being able to do anything people on here are doing plenty.

In contrast I can watch a video which I have no inclination to view, to confirm something I already know... people are ****s. I have know idea who the people are or where.

The major difference to me is the country. In England we have the means to follow cases like this up. So why watch a video of a donkey and be upset, when you can actually be making a difference to a number of horses who are currently suffering alive.

I know that the living are always prioritised over the dead for me.
 
amandap said:
Just to elaborate on my point... how many times have I read... "It's my horse, I'll do what I want with it"
The question is... at what point does this 'right' over animals we all assume, become not all right and even cruel?
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I think the key question is at what point does this 'right' become a situation which can someone can intervene in.

That would depend on the laws in the country the animal and owner are in and the resources available to pursue the case... unfortunately.
 
PandorasJar said:
If you read the Clwyd (sp) page you'll see there is actually a lot being done. BHS and RSPCA are involved. With enough people pushing them there is bound to be a good response at some point. Far from not being able to do anything people on here are doing plenty.
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I have followed the story and haven't changed my views since the story broke.
It is being dealt with by the Court and nothing much can be actually done about the long term situation until the judgement. Only the Court in UK can ban someone and remove their (non dangerous) animals against their will in my understanding...

Whether this or the speed of this process needs changing is an important point to consider.
 
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PandorasJar said:
If you read the Clwyd (sp) page you'll see there is actually a lot being done. BHS and RSPCA are involved. With enough people pushing them there is bound to be a good response at some point. Far from not being able to do anything people on here are doing plenty.

In contrast I can watch a video which I have no inclination to view, to confirm something I already know... people are ****s. I have know idea who the people are or where.

The major difference to me is the country. In England we have the means to follow cases like this up. So why watch a video of a donkey and be upset, when you can actually be making a difference to a number of horses who are currently suffering alive.

I know that the living are always prioritised over the dead for me.
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Where's that like button. Excellent post which really sums it up for me.
 
I think the comparison between the threads is completely meaningless OP.

I've logged in two or three times today, and each time had just a few minutes to spare.

In that time: I checked my email, the weather report, Facebook for notifications only (pause to make a couple of comments), and HHO just long enough to click UserCP. The Clwyd page comes up on UserCp at the moment, so I checked it. No time for scanning through the forum to see what else is being talked about. Log off again.

None of the above has anything at all to do do with how much more or less I care about the two welfare cases.
 
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