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Hello.

Our one mare is currently unwell and thus I have been spending time on the web looking to educate myself on horse diseases and infections but I decided to also check out Billary (tick bite fever) and in the one part it said hind leg paralysis.

Two years ago my gelding was PTS. He had been down and off for a few months but the vet found nothing wrong and he would bounce back. End of January he began rolling in his stable and banging his head against the ground. His back legs also gave out and he did not want to stand at all. Our regular vet was not around so we had to call someone else. She communicated with our regular vet on the phone and they came to the conclusion of colic. He was taken to the clinic.

In the end we allowed an autopsy to be done and that vet students could witness so they can educate themselves as the vet we had out was at a total loss at what to do. Our regular vet has many experiences but he also cannot give a straight answer as to what happened as he was not there to see for himself. We also never got the report for the autopsy.

I don't know many people who have gone through with colic that bad and I can't seem to find anything on why my geldings back legs would give out and the banging of the head.
Sorry if I sound silly but I don't know if I am feeling crazy because we never got the official report of what was wrong or if I am just not finding the right educational websites for colic.

Any ideas or sites would be appreciated.

Thank you.
 
That sounds just like end state liver failure to me. Is it possible your vets were so embarrassed about missing it that they wouldn't let you have the autopsy result?

The end result would have been the same, the horse would not have been able to be saved at that point.
 
TheBrokeHorse said:
Hello.

Our one mare is currently unwell and thus I have been spending time on the web looking to educate myself on horse diseases and infections but I decided to also check out Billary (tick bite fever) and in the one part it said hind leg paralysis.

Two years ago my gelding was PTS. He had been down and off for a few months but the vet found nothing wrong and he would bounce back. End of January he began rolling in his stable and banging his head against the ground. His back legs also gave out and he did not want to stand at all. Our regular vet was not around so we had to call someone else. She communicated with our regular vet on the phone and they came to the conclusion of colic. He was taken to the clinic.

In the end we allowed an autopsy to be done and that vet students could witness so they can educate themselves as the vet we had out was at a total loss at what to do. Our regular vet has many experiences but he also cannot give a straight answer as to what happened as he was not there to see for himself. We also never got the report for the autopsy.

I don't know many people who have gone through with colic that bad and I can't seem to find anything on why my geldings back legs would give out and the banging of the head.
Sorry if I sound silly but I don't know if I am feeling crazy because we never got the official report of what was wrong or if I am just not finding the right educational websites for colic.

Any ideas or sites would be appreciated.

Thank you.
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MY pony had Mesenteric rent entrapment twice but second time there was no return.
Livery colic really bad, got cast when we found him, launched away from wall walked 4 hours never made it was either Mesenteric rent entrapment or a twist
Donkey did not show much pain but would not eat and high temp - taken to RVC never made it even after stomach injection with fluid, muscles had stopped working risk of stomach rupture


The systoms you discribe don't sound like colic unless secondary problem like brain tumour or stroke
 
I would be pushing for a copy of the report and an explanation as to why it has taken so long to get to you.
Fortunately whenever I have dealt with colic, it has been a 'simple' impaction and has been resolved by painkillers, muscle relaxants and if necessary, tubing, or in the old days, liquid paraffin.
 
ycbm said:
That sounds just like end state liver failure to me. Is it possible your vets were so embarrassed about missing it that they wouldn't let you have the autopsy result?

The end result would have been the same, the horse would not have been able to be saved at that point.
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They were not in charge of the autopsy result but the clinic. Our original vet wanted a copy of the autopsy result but they also wouldn't release it to him.
 
ILuvCowparsely said:
MY pony had Mesenteric rent entrapment twice but second time there was no return.
Livery colic really bad, got cast when we found him, launched away from wall walked 4 hours never made it was either Mesenteric rent entrapment or a twist
Donkey did not show much pain but would not eat and high temp - taken to RVC never made it even after stomach injection with fluid, muscles had stopped working risk of stomach rupture


The systoms you discribe don't sound like colic unless secondary problem like brain tumour or stroke
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He had circulatory issues in his face.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
I would be pushing for a copy of the report and an explanation as to why it has taken so long to get to you.
Fortunately whenever I have dealt with colic, it has been a 'simple' impaction and has been resolved by painkillers, muscle relaxants and if necessary, tubing, or in the old days, liquid paraffin.
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The colic usually never got bad. We have phoned and emailed but they have chosen to ignore us.
 
I have seen a different range of colics, from a slight sweat and raised temp with no rolling sorted by walking in hand and pain relief. To a truly horrible colic where the pony went downhil so quickly and collapsed. He was PTS. I would keep asking for your autopsy report.
 
TheBrokeHorse said:
They were not in charge of the autopsy result but the clinic. Our original vet wanted a copy of the autopsy result but they also wouldn't release it to him.
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I can understand why they would not release any autopsy reports when they stand between a client and their vet. If they find something that conflicts with what the vet has been doing it would open a complete can of worms. It may be a previous experience they have had that makes them refuse, or it may be yours. The problem is that you weren't their client, they have no obligation to share the results and sadly you'll probably never know. Sorry you are in this situation, but unless you are certain that the horse would have survived if treated another way I think you need to let it go and move on.
 
ycbm said:
The problem is that you weren't their client, they have no obligation to share the results and sadly you'll probably never know. Sorry you are in this situation, but unless you are certain that the horse would have survived if treated another way I think you need to let it go and move on.
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Who paid them??? The person who writes the cheque is the client and is entitled to a full copy of any clinical notes.
 
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