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My lovely big, kind and sweet natured TB is colicking. Hes currently out at grass at a friends, but has been living on a track system very similar way to the way I kept him so hes had some change but nothing huge and hes such a chilled out boy he came off the wagon, glanced around and settled in. Hes been there about 10days.

And then he colicked. Very mild, no gas or blockage found,had buscopan and bute and seemed fine. They wore off and he colicked again. Same treatment, seemed fine. They wore off and hes not colicking but he is uncomfortable and not happy. His heart rate has never been over 36 even when he has been at his worst. His eyes are tight and pinched though so something hurts.

This started 2days ago. There is a very good vet involved who is running bloods and coming out, but I'm interested in any ideas anyone has or similar experiences so we can run it past him. Bloods are being run in house today so will know more from those shortly.

The full back story below in case anything rings a bell with anyone as I am worried sick.

He colicked roughly a year ago. He'd just arrived and ate some trees so we had a cause. No issues since. There was a professional firework display along my fence line and my horses freaked and he fell over in the dark. I did think he had ulcers after the fireworks incident but my physio came and found muscle spasms indicative of a slip and fall. Two treatments and he was fine and back to normal. Never any signs of ulcers other than hes not a great doer and eats a lot. Does very well on grass but eat ridiculous amounts of hay and forage feed.

About three wees ago he had an abscess, it burst and the poultice was clean after 3 days so taken off and he went to a friends. He went dog lame again, abscess blew up, farrier drained it, better then abscess blew up and the vet drained it. Cut a lot of sole off and found it had been tracking round. Almost healed but with a deeper wet pocket. That appears to be dried up now and hes happier but still not comfortable. Could be just the cut away sole could be something more sinister, so its watch and wait time.

And then he colicked. No blockage, no gas nothing really found. Buscopan and bute sorted it. They ran out and he colicked again. Buscopan and bute sorted it again. Hes now out on grass and not getting hay or feed on wet adivce. it was thought the colic was triggered by hay as my friend arrives, hays them and he colics. Today she arrives and doesnt hay him, usual scenario, he colics. Although this time colic is too strong a word.

Hes showing signs of discomfort but still eating, weeing, pooing. But anything exciting or that causes him stress, ie the other two being out of his sight, seems to triggers it.

When he had the bout of colic with me he dropped to the floor like he was dead. Never in my life seen a horse do that. I thought he was dead This time hes more agitated, pawing and upset with lip curling the first 2 times. He now is showing a heart murmur which the vet says is indicative of lower intestinal pain. It wasnt there 10 days ago so it appears to be a new thing.

His feet have gone back to low heels and trying to have long toes with thin soles over the last 3 months. Ive been watching and its been worrying me but I've put it down to lack of road work and just flagged it as something to work on when he was moved and brought back into work. He s had almost all of the winter off due to my life going horribly wrong. But I guess on reflection this might indicate some gut issues underlying that were too low grade to notice but still there.

He was wormed with pramox in jan and had clear tape and red worm tests prior. Tape worm will have been september I think. The other 2 had low but normal tests, less than 100epg which is to be expected in a young and old horse and were wormed as suggested by the worm count people. I'm getting another tape worm test in case but I think I'm grasping at straws though.

He has on one occasion done like a half wee, but my friend wasnt sure if it was because he was on concrete at the time. He has weed fine before and since.

He has been living with sheep so I'm going to ask if his liver has been considered as an issue.

The vet is being asked about protexin quick fix as he had that after the last colic and Im at the try anything stage.

He 7 so not young or old. Hes always been happy and well bar the firework incident and the first colic. Both of which had clear cause. You can tell when hes not right as hes such a lovely natured boy and he gets withdrawn and a bit grumpy if things are wrong, so I'm fairly confident saying theres been nothing wrong I didnt see, but who the hell knows!

The plan is get him stable for 48hours, get him moved back to be with me and scope him. He cant be scoped where he is, so does need to move. The vet doesnt think moving will be an issue. I'm concerned but aware needs must nd my poor friend cannot be expected to deal with this, as well as the fact I am going demented not being there. The vet is saying ulcers are a possible cause.

Has anyone ever seen anything like this before? Is this likely to be ulcers? Id be thrilled if it was as they can be treated and sorted, this unknown painful issue is scaring the living daylights out of me and I have such a bad feeling about it.
 
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He has never had any signs of symptoms of PSSM but my friend is going to check his muscle tone shortly just in case something has triggered it but I would be stunned if it was that.
 

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Oh, I feel your pain. I've had issues with my mare the past few months. Blood work showed low red and white cells but there was obviously something else going on to.

She had episodes when I could just tell by her body language that she wasn't right. Didn't want to eat, would mope around looking miserable but no other symptoms. Buscopan and bute and in a hour or so she would be fine. A gastroscope showed a big mass at the entrance to her stomach of dried up food! No sign of ulcers. A tube could get past the mass so she was still able to get food into the stomach. It was broken down with coke and lavaged out. Could possibly be delayed gastric emptying. Wet food, soaked and netted hay to slow eating down but I am so worried about a repeat.

A scope is your best course of action in my opinion. Hope you get him sorted.
 

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Oh, I feel your pain. I've had issues with my mare the past few months. Blood work showed low red and white cells but there was obviously something else going on to.

She had episodes when I could just tell by her body language that she wasn't right. Didn't want to eat, would mope around looking miserable but no other symptoms. Buscopan and bute and in a hour or so she would be fine. A gastroscope showed a big mass at the entrance to her stomach of dried up food! No sign of ulcers. A tube could get past the mass so she was still able to get food into the stomach. It was broken down with coke and lavaged out. Could possibly be delayed gastric emptying. Wet food, soaked and netted hay to slow eating down but I am so worried about a repeat.

A scope is your best course of action in my opinion. Hope you get him sorted.

That sounds very, very similar! The vet has said that scoping has the benefit of finding ulcers and seeing the whole way down from mouth to stomach so anything like that would be found. I just need him stable for a little while then I'll get him moved and scoped. Where he is theres no stable and no company if he was kept in the field shelter etc so a total nightmare to try and scope there.
 
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Sounds spasmodic and definitely stress related from what you describe. Have you spoken to the Vet about feeding a magnesium based calmer to try and prevent him from having these stressful episodes? Also if he is a colicky horse I really wouldn’t recommend worming with pramox as it’s very harsh on the gut. Healthy horses are fine but ones with known digestive issues should be wormed with something else.
 

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She's been sensitive and seasonal changes or even a change of hay (from different field) could cause an episode for a few years. Vets never found anything wrong before, previously scoped too. I've kept diaries to record whether it was related to her seasons.

I bred her so know all her history but so concerned now.
 

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If he has bute so 'comfortable' could you move him then to get him scoped asap? If he keeps colicing without a diagnosis he will not get stable, ask the vet if he is stable to travel.
has he lost weight, or looks 'tucked-up'
what colour was his wee - could be stones or infection which is spasmodic pain, i presume he has free access to water.

Thinking off you, i hope he responds to the painkillers, everything is crossed.
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Having been through very similar and got to the point the hospital wanted to open my mare and have a look, I know the stress you are going through. I decided not to open her for 2 reasons, couldn't afford it and my own vet who is my most trusted friend in addition to being a vet advised against it as she always felt the horse didn't have anything sinister going on and the never ending colics were environment/management problems.

My mare never touched her water buckets regardless of temperature or work load. She did have soaked hay and some grazing. When she came out of hospital for the fourth time I changed my management of her and started making squash for her using various soakable feed products. I water her at 8am, 12 noon, 5pm and 10pm and each time she has 10 litres of squash and we have had now had 8 months clear. I also started to use Vit E. As long as the squash is warm and I offer differing flavours she always drinks it.

I hope your horse improves OP.
 

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I'm so sorry good vibes to you but it sort of sounds like a toxic myopathy type symptom I personally would look into this speak to your vet or get a someone else out. Xx

Reading back I would get him off that grazing for now and just see, some horses can react to full out on grazing whereas some horses it doesn't seem to affect them.
 

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Sounds spasmodic and definitely stress related from what you describe. Have you spoken to the Vet about feeding a magnesium based calmer to try and prevent him from having these stressful episodes? Also if he is a colicky horse I really wouldn’t recommend worming with pramox as it’s very harsh on the gut. Healthy horses are fine but ones with known digestive issues should be wormed with something else.

It is definitely 100% not caused by stress. Hes been in a very stressful situation twice and never done this. But whatever is going on now is clearly being made worse by anything exciting or stressful. Its more that its there and low grade and anything like that tips him over the edge to showing symptoms. He is usually on mag ox but more for his feet than stress, he is honestly the most chilled out horse anyone has ever met.

He had pramox in jan was fine, he wont be having it again though following this. I think if I can get him through this I am going to spend the rest of my life watching him and worrying.
 

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Having been through very similar and got to the point the hospital wanted to open my mare and have a look, I know the stress you are going through. I decided not to open her for 2 reasons, couldn't afford it and my own vet who is my most trusted friend in addition to being a vet advised against it as she always felt the horse didn't have anything sinister going on and the never ending colics were environment/management problems.

My mare never touched her water buckets regardless of temperature or work load. She did have soaked hay and some grazing. When she came out of hospital for the fourth time I changed my management of her and started making squash for her using various soakable feed products. I water her at 8am, 12 noon, 5pm and 10pm and each time she has 10 litres of squash and we have had now had 8 months clear. I also started to use Vit E. As long as the squash is warm and I offer differing flavours she always drinks it.

I hope your horse improves OP.

He wont be being opened or having a colic op. Ive told everyone that its a hard no and not to let me change my mind in the heat of the moment. I wouldnt put him through that and the issues you get afterwards.

Hes eating and drinking fine. Even when hes having these episodes and he lays down, he will eat hay or grass. None of it makes any sense to anyone!

The vet has said he can move, but he needs to have at least 24 hours without a major episode first. I'm hoping weds at the latest. Thats the earliest anyone can fit him in for a scope anyway.
 

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How is he?

just waiting to hear from my friend. She is up there now checking on him. When she left him a couple of hours ago he was settled and grazing. The discomfort and colicky episode lasted about 5/10 mins then he went off to graze and he was fine for an hour before she left him, so Im hoping hes calm and settled.
 

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My pony did not show signs of stress, but had grade 2 ulcers when he was scoped.

It is definitely 100% not caused by stress. Hes been in a very stressful situation twice and never done this. But whatever is going on now is clearly being made worse by anything exciting or stressful. Its more that its there and low grade and anything like that tips him over the edge to showing symptoms. He is usually on mag ox but more for his feet than stress, he is honestly the most chilled out horse anyone has ever met.

He had pramox in jan was fine, he wont be having it again though following this. I think if I can get him through this I am going to spend the rest of my life watching him and worrying.
 

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As I said before I would remove him from that grazing if you can, you never know it could just be that and in 12 hours of just feeding hay it could make all the difference.

The vet wants him out on grazing and with no hay, so I'd be really worried about going against what he says. Hes been out on a track, so limited grass and lots of hay before this started. So I think the idea behind the grass is to try the opposite. He appears to be better if not totally fine since hes been on the grass
 

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Hes eating and drinking fine. Even when hes having these episodes and he lays down, he will eat hay or grass. None of it makes any sense to anyone!

Whilst fixating on sycamore poisoning and overdoing the googling, IIRC, it sometimes presents like colic but the horse tends to try to keep eating. Maybe also the case for other types of toxic causes?

Hope you figure it out and he recovers OK.
 
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