Colour experts!! What is this?!

Wow, there's some beatiful horses on here! That foal is just stunning.

eatmyshorts said:
While we're on the subject of colour and markings, another pattern I love which folk may not be aware of is called a Medicine Hat. This is where the head is white with dark ears kinda like a bonnet (it's also sometimes called a War Bonnet). Technically (correct me if I'm wrong Faracat) these are normally toveros (tobiano x overo), but were prized by the Indians as having mystical powers and often kept by the Medicine Man of the tribe. So, who's got a magical horse then?
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someone on here once told me my boy had a 'medicine hat' , but does it have to be the only marking? My lad's mostly white but has a few other small red patches on his body, so does he count?
 
I first saw this on fb about 2 yrs ago and queried then if it were a framed overo. It is stunning but I have an equally stunning Tobiano foal :rolleyes: (pics in album :D ) not biased of course! Seriously, I would love to see this horse in the flesh. I do like the unusual
 
Enfys said:
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This purebred arab is a sabino.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/128473427176088/
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My Hackney mare is Sabino marked
 
forever broke said:
Wow, there's some beatiful horses on here! That foal is just stunning.



someone on here once told me my boy had a 'medicine hat' , but does it have to be the only marking? My lad's mostly white but has a few other small red patches on his body, so does he count?
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No, it doesn't have to be the only marking. ;) He would count as having a medicine hat. x
 
I need to sort photos i will ask assitance from my pet ID geek at home but i have a loud sorrel overo i've learnt more about coloureds since acquiring my first american paint horse i love his colouring but his pink skin has casued a few problems! but he is stunning
 
Lady Supreme said:
My Hackney mare is Sabino marked
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The loud Sabinos can be stunning can't they? Odd that hackneys (I think I am right in saying this regarding hackneys?) arabs and tbs can be as loudly marked as any coloured horse yet are not coloured as they don't carry the 'coloured' genes.

Photo? :)
 
Hawks27 said:
I need to sort photos i will ask assitance from my pet ID geek at home but i have a loud sorrel overo i've learnt more about coloureds since acquiring my first american paint horse i love his colouring but his pink skin has casued a few problems! but he is stunning
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I know the problem :( My mare usually comes in when the sun is out, she gets burned eyelids, even in winter. Banana Boat Factor 100 is her friend.
 
Hawks27 said:
I need to sort photos i will ask assitance from my pet ID geek at home but i have a loud sorrel overo i've learnt more about coloureds since acquiring my first american paint horse i love his colouring but his pink skin has casued a few problems! but he is stunning
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Look forward to piccies!
 
forever broke said:
Wow, there's some beatiful horses on here! That foal is just stunning.



someone on here once told me my boy had a 'medicine hat' , but does it have to be the only marking? My lad's mostly white but has a few other small red patches on his body, so does he count?
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Pictures of Medicine Hat horses: http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Medicine+Hat+Paint+Horse&qpvt=Medicine+Hat+Paint+Horse&FORM=IGRE

and of Toveros : http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Tovero&FORM=RESTAB

http://www.painthorse.com/american-paint-horse-patterns
 
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cinnamontoast said:
So does this thing have a Medicine Hat?
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Quick hide!:eek:

THING:eek:

You called it a thing! :D Why shame on you ;)


I think it depends on whether the colour covers only the ears/top part of the head - like a, well, hat ;) If the colour extends down to his face/neck then, as I understand it, no, not a medicine hat.
 
I have the dullest of dull coloured horse (chestnut from ears to hooves) so no pics to share but this thread has been totally fascinating. Who would have known that colour variation could kill?
 
This is a frame overo - DNA tested.
The problem is the pattern is not expressed and the reason that any horse that may have the gene should be tested prior to breeding in case the OLWS genes get inherited from both parents. Jethro gets his from his Dam but the only white he has is on his face.
 
s4sugar said:
This is a frame overo - DNA tested.
The problem is the pattern is not expressed and the reason that any horse that may have the gene should be tested prior to breeding in case the OLWS genes get inherited from both parents. Jethro gets his from his Dam but the only white he has is on his face.
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It is expressed (as it has caused his white face markings) just in quite a minimal way IYSWIM.

This is where thinking about white face and leg markings as separate from white body markings causes confusion. They are caused by the same genes.

Lovely foal. :)
 
The white face marking could be from other pattern genes although combined with the lack of white on the legs does give a clue to frame.


He is gelded but I got him tested as part of a package deal and was a bit surprised. (actually more miffed as I would love another loud overo or at least as patterned as his Mum)

I knew a tobiano that had only one or two white hairs in her mane which went unnoticed until she produced a coloured foal.
 
Lots of colour experts on this thread. Sorry to hijack briefly but.....

My 'brown' broody has 4 white socks/blaze and a bigt white belly patch. My vet said she could produce a coloured foal but I disregarded this.

Was he correct then experts?

PS I too want the FB foal in the OP!
 
scarymare said:
Lots of colour experts on this thread. Sorry to hijack briefly but.....

My 'brown' broody has 4 white socks/blaze and a bigt white belly patch. My vet said she could produce a coloured foal but I disregarded this.

Was he correct then experts?

PS I too want the FB foal in the OP!
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Sounds like your mare has splash or more likely sabino. If so she could produce a coloured foal but it isn't likely. Crop outs happen in many breeds - look at the Arab pictured above.

How is your mare bred?
 
eatmyshorts said:
Yes, you have a magical horse! But probably not a tobiano :)
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Really? His dad is homozygous tobiano and mum chestnut welsh D (with large white blaze and socks) so I just presumed tobiano. What do you think he is then? Can post pics if that helps? I'm clueless with the colour genetics but find it fascinating!
 
forever broke said:
Really? His dad is homozygous tobiano and mum chestnut welsh D (with large white blaze and socks) so I just presumed tobiano. What do you think he is then? Can post pics if that helps? I'm clueless with the colour genetics but find it fascinating!
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If his sire is homozygous tobiano he has to have inherited tobiano but, as in the mare I referred to, it doesn't always show much.

Pictures help :)
 
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Enfys said:
Quick hide!:eek:

THING:eek:

You called it a thing! :D Why shame on you ;)


I think it depends on whether the colour covers only the ears/top part of the head - like a, well, hat ;) If the colour extends down to his face/neck then, as I understand it, no, not a medicine hat.
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Ha, he is my thing, so I can say what I like! His colour extends down his face so not a Medicine Hat.
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Love threads like this - my fave colour phenomenons are the chimera horses. It is where 2 fraternal (non identicle) twins fuse into one in utero but it still has 2 sets of DNA. Fascinating! Google it, you'll be amazed!
 
Forever Broke, yours does have the typical Medicine Hat pattern.

Also Tovero just going by the photo.
 
Enfys said:
The loud Sabinos can be stunning can't they? Odd that hackneys (I think I am right in saying this regarding hackneys?) arabs and tbs can be as loudly marked as any coloured horse yet are not coloured as they don't carry the 'coloured' genes.

Photo? :)
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Forum rules stating I can't attach anything :confused: but you can go into my album, titled Red & see. both mare and her foal. He is by a Homozygous Tobiano wb. I didn't have Bella tested for Sabino before AI ing
 
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