Coloured horse questions. (Also in NL but there must be experts here!)

[TarrSteps]

I've asked in NL about getting a passport for a horse coming in from outside the EU and it seems there are many options. But since he's coloured I wonder if this changes the options somewhat and thought some of you here that breed coloured horses might give me the benefit of your wisdom.

So, my basic question is is there any advantage to getting him registered (or whatever can be done with non-breeding stock - identification or similar) with either CHAPS or the BSPA? (Forgive me if that's a minefield question - studbook questions so often are - but that's part of what I'm trying to suss out.)

Does it make any difference for showing? I don't even know if we will show him in any coloured horse competitions (he's KWPN x TB and has shown as a dressage horse) but would not like to close any doors for him. Is there any benefit to one organisation over the other?

Is there anything to be gained from joining either/both organisations if we have no plans to show at their shows? Year end awards or similar?

Any other coloured horse issues I should look into? He might show, he might not (he's not mine but I'd likely be the one doing the organising and riding) but I'd like to at least give the owner all possible information.

I'd also like Neale (yes, really, but there's a good reason for the funny name

) to fully partake in all facets of his new English life but not if it's going to break the bank!

 

[volatis]

If you think you might show him then you'll need to register him with either the BSPA or CHAPS, depending which of their classes you do. They will over stamp his passport.
CHAPS host the qualifiers for HOYS and BSPA for the RIHS. But if you just want to show on a lower level, then I'd look on the two websites and see which covers your area better. Used to be that BSPA covers the South and CHAPS the North but thats much less applicable now.
I overstamped Cleio with CHAPS as they seem to run the classes we entered her in this year (all 1 of them!) and Dee with the BSPA as they had a grading local to us, so we thought that was a good first outing for her.

 

[Maesfen]

I've registered my home bred coloureds with CHAPS but that is only because the stallion was graded with them and they issued the covering certificates and it made sense to 'qualify' him for anything with them at the time. I have to say I wouldn't recommend them at all unless they were a last resort! While it doesn't affect me, they've changed the covering certificates to only show the stallion and the mare names, no other breeding at all which I think is disgraceful and cheapskate when knowing breeding seems to be so important these days; how have you a chance to trace anything without at least the grand dams and sires noted? I'm one of those that if the breeding is known it should be flaunted, don't know about you!
I have no knowledge how the BSPA work at all so can't advise you on that, sorry. TBH, unless you're likely to show Neale (I actually like the name!) I can't see any great advantage with registering with CHAPS and it's not as if their passports are anything to write home about

You could register with the SHB but if you don't have verified breeding like from a CC, they won't show it in the passport, but will if you do if that makes sense. Their passports are also 'approved' with most disciplines too which helps. They're very helpful if you give them a ring.

 

[derek]

both bspa and chapsuk will register on an id passport or overstamp a breed/studbook passport. choice is yours and as volatis states look as to what suits you more re showing wise.
MFH your post seems very misleading you are right to state that the covering cert only asks for sire and dam to be named but unsure as to 'the problem with this' if the stallion is graded with chaps then ALL his parentage documation is held on file and added into the relevant foals passport. likewise for the mare or if the mare is a non-coloured then a photocopy of her passport has to be sent in to verify her breeding. ALL this information is then inserted into the progeny's passport.
A covering cert is exactly what it states a cert to say that a particular stallion has covered the said mare. The passport will and does hold ALL the pedigree of an animal that has verified parentage so you can see and trace grand dams and sires etc

 

[Maesfen]

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MFH your post seems very misleading you are right to state that the covering cert only asks for sire and dam to be named but unsure as to 'the problem with this' if the stallion is graded with chaps then ALL his parentage documation is held on file and added into the relevant foals passport. likewise for the mare or if the mare is a non-coloured then a photocopy of her passport has to be sent in to verify her breeding. ALL this information is then inserted into the progeny's passport.


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Sorry, I have to disagree from personal experience of that just this year.

A friend registered his coloured filly with them (on an old CC, so spaces for breeding to be stated), by a graded stallion out of a fully recorded TB mare which he duly filled in correctly along with a copy of her passport; he also sent a full copy of her pedigree. When the passport came back, it only had the mare's name and that of her sire, nothing else on the mare's side of the pedigree.
If they can't get that right when all the correct information is given to them on a plate then how are they going to be when another mare might be slightly harder to find on some passport registry, or even know if they have the right one when the CC, the only communication they have with you, does not give space to record her breeding?

 

[derek]

if you are correct then i would suggest you take this matter further, i am unsure as to reasons, was this a late registration ?? sometimes dna proof is needed when regs are late. chaps are legally required to uphold their registry and as your friends foal is a filly this lack of pedigree will do her no favours in years to come, so i would ask your freind to make sure all relevant paperwork was in order and to ask for the pedigree to be added to the passport or get dna done for the filly to have her rightful pedigree acknowledged. like yourself i also agree that we should 'flaunt' the breeding when available.