Coloured racehorse update

I think outbreeding would be needed at some point for TB health wouldn't it, to dilute some of the less desirable traits like crappy feet etc.

I don't think I'll make it up to see him, but might be able to persuade the OH - otherwise have a great day on sunday :)
 
angrovestud said:
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10523631


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Both these horse have run! one on the flat one NH so before you go on make sure you know what your talking about I choose to call our Horse a racehorse because thats his Job like calling a horse a show jumper or like some people call them selves eventers when they watch them!
We bred Angrove rumbaba to be a racehorse just a coloured one
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I think that you've just proved my point exactly !!
Both these fillies had 1 nh race and both pulled up and the one that raced on the flat was 250/1 and finished a distance last. Racehorses are bred for performance, not colour. I can't see what you're trying to do as anything other than gimmicky and that fact that your horse has been in training for 2 years without seeing a racecourse backs up what I'm saying.
 
Quite a few racehorses are in training for years before they race, wether held back by fitness or injury doesn't mean they are useless, lots of NH hunt horses come with age.
 
10 months he was at home in a FIELD do understand what I have spelt out for you I am not connected to the two horses that raced just showing you it has been done already!
I really dont care what you think or say Bonny.
 
Cheer up OP. He's a lovely looking horse and you are doing right by him. Thank you for being patient with him:) Fingers crossed he can repay you all one day...I'm sure he is very happy. All the best with his career...I don't bet but will be cheering him on, none the less!
 
Stencilface said:
I think outbreeding would be needed at some point for TB health wouldn't it, to dilute some of the less desirable traits like crappy feet etc.

I don't think I'll make it up to see him, but might be able to persuade the OH - otherwise have a great day on sunday :)
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You are so right we were talking to Micky Hammond about the lack of bone in the Tb for NH and we all agree it needs more to stand up to the work its no bad thing and as two vets not emplyed by us have told us how nice Rummy is then he has correct comformation to improve which is needed theses are racing vets for two different trainers
 
Yay Rummy :D
I've been following him since he was 2 and waiting for him to race and I would much rather he was kept until ready and doing the best type of racing for him, and the waiting is just making his first race more exciting :D

I wish I could come see him, I love him he's such a lovely boy, temperement and lookswise :)
 
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At the end of the day, you have done whats best by the horse. If its not ready, don't race it. Its called being a good owner. End of.
As for not being a racehorse, he is a horse in training with a racehorse trainer and weatherbys registered, which makes him more of a racehorse than 'any horse on the gallops'.
Finally, I think his type and breeding would be suited to jump racing. He is a nice strong type with could confo. Personally, the op should be more worried about racing the horse when its ready, and if thats not until he is older then thats fine.

Have you got any pics of him schooling over a fence?? :)
 
dominobrown said:
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At the end of the day, you have done whats best by the horse. If its not ready, don't race it. Its called being a good owner. End of.
As for not being a racehorse, he is a horse in training with a racehorse trainer and weatherbys registered, which makes him more of a racehorse than 'any horse on the gallops'.
Finally, I think his type and breeding would be suited to jump racing. He is a nice strong type with could confo. Personally, the op should be more worried about racing the horse when its ready, and if thats not until he is older then thats fine.

Have you got any pics of him schooling over a fence?? :)
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Thank you you have explained that so well!
No sorry dont have any pics yet although he has jumper wth his old trainer and jumped well, hes doing fast work on the High Moor upsides of two horse's one a winner in a bumper and one a 3 year old placed on the flat last year twice, he will run in a bumper first to teach him his job but hes very keen and has the right attitude for a racehorse his trainers says so we are pleased so far with his progress.
 
Hi Yes dominobrown we have his two year old full sister she is also coloured and we have a Half brother who is Homozygous for the Tobiano gene with 2 crosses to Nureyev he has been crossed for a foal this year out of Moniseur Bond mare really looking forward to this one
If anyone is interested the syndicate is nly £50 per month we have tried to do it as viable for everyone
 
Happy Horse said:
I'd love to see him on a track, no reason why in the right races he should not do well and it would be great to have a horse that is easy to spot to follow!
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My thoughts exactly, I am rubbish at picking a winner, I usualy go for the one with the biggest white blaze or the whitest socks. It sound so exciting. As as for Bonny saying he is not a racehorse - nonsense, millions of TB's dont make it to the track but are still ex racehorses.

Best of luck to Rummy
 
Magicmillbrook said:
My thoughts exactly, I am rubbish at picking a winner, I usualy go for the one with the biggest white blaze or the whitest socks. It sound so exciting. As as for Bonny saying he is not a racehorse - nonsense, millions of TB's dont make it to the track but are still ex racehorses.

Best of luck to Rummy
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how can a horse be an exracehorse without ever being a racehorse ? By that logic every horse in the land can be called an exracehorse !
You can disagree with what I'm saying if you like but it's a fact that this horse has never run despite a long time in training and until he does he is not a racehorse. People have been trying for years to breed coloured rachorses and failed. Breeding a rachorse involves breeding 2 tb's, not using a coloured mare and a tb stallion and until there is evidence to the contrary I for one don't believe breeding racehorse's based on colour is anything other than a gimmick. If you want performance, use a proven race mare. I doubt this horse will ever run, much better for the stud and selling syndications if he doesn't. Call me a cynic but that's my opinion.
 
Many horses go in to training but are deemed unsuitable for whatever reason and go on to do other jobs with the 'exracehorse' tag. although I think officially they have to have run in a race to be an exracer what's wrong with calling rummy a racehorse? No different to me calling our 3 yr old a dressage horse when she hasn't been sat on yet, let alone been between the boards.

Good luck with Rummy op, he's gorgeous! Should he ever find racing is not for him can I have him for eventing please!;)
 
race·horse (rshôrs)
n.
A horse BRED and TRAINED to race

Noun 1. racehorse - a horse bred for racing
bangtail, race horse
Equus caballus, horse - solid-hoofed herbivorous quadruped domesticated since prehistoric times
thoroughbred - a racehorse belonging to a breed that originated from a cross between Arabian stallions and English mares
pony - an informal term for a racehorse; "he liked to bet on the ponies"
yearling - a racehorse considered one year old until the second Jan. 1 following its birth
two year old, two-year-old horse - a racehorse that is two years old
three year old, three-year-old horse - a racehorse that is three years old
dark horse - a racehorse about which little is known
mudder - a racehorse that runs well on a muddy racetrack
nonstarter - a horse that fails to run in a race for which it has been entered
pacer, pacesetter, pacemaker - a horse used to set the pace in racing
trotting horse, trotter - a horse trained to trot; especially a horse trained for harness racing


Bonny, nowhere in that definition does it say ACTUALLY raced.

Whats your problem? Are you a failed racehorse breeder? Or are you a bookie? Or maybe in a syndicate with a racehorse that never won?

What is your problem with this racehorse owner?

I have a TB, but he is NOT a racehorse because he wasnt BRED or TRAINED to race.

Get of you high racehorse and stop spitting venom at this owner
 
bonny said:
how can a horse be an exracehorse without ever being a racehorse ? By that logic every horse in the land can be called an exracehorse !
You can disagree with what I'm saying if you like but it's a fact that this horse has never run despite a long time in training and until he does he is not a racehorse. People have been trying for years to breed coloured rachorses and failed. Breeding a rachorse involves breeding 2 tb's, not using a coloured mare and a tb stallion and until there is evidence to the contrary I for one don't believe breeding racehorse's based on colour is anything other than a gimmick. If you want performance, use a proven race mare. I doubt this horse will ever run, much better for the stud and selling syndications if he doesn't. Call me a cynic but that's my opinion.
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I know I am dyslexic but can you read? who ever mentioned he was out of a coloured mare! do you read for comprehension ? his dam is out of a Black Type mare the stallions grandam is Black Type


Some of the very best racehorses we've seen over jumps are AQPS, Autre Que Pur Sang 'Other Than Pure Blood', or non-thoroughbred, it's hardly unusual for a non-TB to race, there's a whole industry in breeding AQPS horses in France, some of who have been Gold Cup and Stayers Hurdle winners. There have also been a good few non-TB winners of the Grand National, the most recent being Amberleigh House who is not in the GSB (look at his pedigree here, his 5th dam was a half-bred mare). While more common over fences, it happens on the flat too. Clantime who was a G1 quality sprinter in the 80's was non a GSB TB. He was later given full TB status by Weatherbys so his offspring could be registered as TBs. Two of the top sprinters in the UK in the mid-60s, Lucasland and So Blessed, both July Cup winners and neither were in the GSB and therefore technically no TBs.
This was taken from a racing forum the people I will credit are rory and Vinter
 
Thank you Mlini and everyone whos had good words to say I will post in the group when hes entered for his first race
 
I follow him on FB and love to hear how he's doing,think he's a stunning chap and wish you every good luck with him. Most of us on here have faith in him and you.
 
guido16 said:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/racehorse
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I can understand Bonny's (less than popular) point of view... By that definition my TB is a racehorse... Weatherby's reg, race training n' all that jazz... But he never actually raced so imo he isn't 'a' or 'ex' racehorse even if the dictionary suggests differently...:) I was training many moons ago to join my cousin in the NY marathon for charity... Broke my ankle and never made it there or to one since... I could hardly call myself a marathon runner... :D

Just different people's interpretation of the difference between potential and actual experience I guess... :)
 
Ladydragon said:
I can understand Bonny's (less than popular) point of view... By that definition my TB is a racehorse... Weatherby's reg, race training n' all that jazz... But he never actually raced so imo he isn't 'a' or 'ex' racehorse even if the dictionary suggests differently...:) I was training many moons ago to join my cousin in the NY marathon for charity... Broke my ankle and never made it there or to one since... I could hardly call myself a marathon runner... :D

Just different people's interpretation of the difference between potential and actual experience I guess... :)
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But Rummie is still in training, with entries for races.... Not quite the same thing as your boy.
 
fruity said:
I follow him on FB and love to hear how he's doing,think he's a stunning chap and wish you every good luck with him. Most of us on here have faith in him and you.
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That was very kind and very moving Thank you Fruity! we will try on to let you or anyone else down who is following us,
Shall I call him A Horse in racetraining then LOL bit of a mouthfull xx
 
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