juliebrewer
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simply divine. stunner.
Coloured stallion - opinions please.
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severnmiles
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Just a thought have you got a nice Sec D near you that would travel to you.
Nice allrounder Welsh D X TB and very fashionable .
Fetch good money private and at the sales and Welsh PB papers.
Probably way off the mark here and you want to breed coloured.
If so ignore .
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You see thats the other option, my friend has a really lovely cob stallion, he's nearly 15.0hh's, his full brother is only 14.2hh and boy it can jump, it flies around Open classes clear, he'd get a bomb for it as an FEI pony and flew the 7ft bullfinch(actually jumped, didn't brush through it) in the Royal Welsh Inter-hunt relay, serious jumping pony!
Sir Wattie was cob x TB. So yes could be another option.
Just a thought have you got a nice Sec D near you that would travel to you.
Nice allrounder Welsh D X TB and very fashionable .
Fetch good money private and at the sales and Welsh PB papers.
Probably way off the mark here and you want to breed coloured.
If so ignore .
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You see thats the other option, my friend has a really lovely cob stallion, he's nearly 15.0hh's, his full brother is only 14.2hh and boy it can jump, it flies around Open classes clear, he'd get a bomb for it as an FEI pony and flew the 7ft bullfinch(actually jumped, didn't brush through it) in the Royal Welsh Inter-hunt relay, serious jumping pony!
Sir Wattie was cob x TB. So yes could be another option.
MissIndependance
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I would look down the AI route - there isn't anything particularly awful about that stallion - but on the same note he certainly doesn't shout "look at me" either!
There are some lovely coloured stallions available by AI so could be worth exploring...?
As far as allrounders go - a lot of well bred horses don't make the grade as top competition horses and so by default become excellent 'allrounders' that makwe lovely useful sorts for the everyday rider.
There are some lovely coloured stallions available by AI so could be worth exploring...?
As far as allrounders go - a lot of well bred horses don't make the grade as top competition horses and so by default become excellent 'allrounders' that makwe lovely useful sorts for the everyday rider.
metalmare
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I'm the sort of person who would buy that 'nice ordinary foal' if I could!
I just want something with decent looks and a good temper to play with and take for pleasure rides... no world beaters for me!
There is indeed a ready market! When I look at ads for horses for sale long lists of breeding don't do anything for me... unless I was to buy a lipizzaner!
There is indeed a ready market! When I look at ads for horses for sale long lists of breeding don't do anything for me... unless I was to buy a lipizzaner!
metalmare
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In fact, I might add that people who are over obssessed by grading and papers are probably pushing ordinary happy hackers out of the market. It's hard to find a decent ordinary horse now - everything seems to have some extravagent claim to fame! Just give me a sound horse with 4 legs and a smile!!
sallyf
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Im very fond of Sec D's and the cross breds do sell well.
We used to buy pure breds years ago break and sell them.
Actually BSJA'd one as a horse qualified newcomers first show then sold it for mega bucks to jump in juniors in the new year.
Went JA in 9 weeks.
Mega talented.
We used to buy pure breds years ago break and sell them.
Actually BSJA'd one as a horse qualified newcomers first show then sold it for mega bucks to jump in juniors in the new year.
Went JA in 9 weeks.
Mega talented.
severnmiles
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As far as allrounders go - a lot of well bred horses don't make the grade as top competition horses and so by default become excellent 'allrounders' that makwe lovely useful sorts for the everyday rider.
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Which proves my point that the best does not necessarily breed the best, likewise O.Haddows Patris Filius was bought from Abergavenny market for a few hundred quid and had been a gypsy pony tethered to the side of the road, he's a 3* horse now.
As far as allrounders go - a lot of well bred horses don't make the grade as top competition horses and so by default become excellent 'allrounders' that makwe lovely useful sorts for the everyday rider.
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Which proves my point that the best does not necessarily breed the best, likewise O.Haddows Patris Filius was bought from Abergavenny market for a few hundred quid and had been a gypsy pony tethered to the side of the road, he's a 3* horse now.
Lynne21
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I wouldn't put a mare to him - not good enough imho (terrible limbs and very narrow in the chest). If the travelling is the problem, why not walk her up to Teifi's and use one of his good section D stallions? You have a far better chance of getting a sound foal that will do a job and is a desirable cross. If people wont travel to buy your good horses they certainly won't for a potentially bad one!
Partoow
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pull your neck in! as far as im concerned i really was'nt even refering to you or your 'experiences ' at stud and as for the production of ordinary horses thats all we are talking about , i dont know about you but a good all rounder needs good all round conformation i like my ordinary horses to be my partner for a long time and giving them the best start possible is what i am encouraging here. Like you said even using graded horses from years of proven bloodlines still does not guarantee a good end product. So are you sugesting we need to add even more variables and condem another generation of offspring to an uncertain future because they simply cant do an ordinary job because they are conformationally unsound? Ordinary horses still need good conformation.
I dont appreciate comments like that from people like you so best leave it there. At least there are others that see the conformational weakness this stallion has and like Bonzadogdooda says if people wont travel to buy a good horse they certainly wont for a bad one. That is all i was saying.
I dont appreciate comments like that from people like you so best leave it there. At least there are others that see the conformational weakness this stallion has and like Bonzadogdooda says if people wont travel to buy a good horse they certainly wont for a bad one. That is all i was saying.
MissIndependance
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i dont know about you but a good all rounder needs good all round conformation i like my ordinary horses to be my partner for a long time and giving them the best start possible is what i am encouraging here. Like you said even using graded horses from years of proven bloodlines still does not guarantee a good end product. So are you sugesting we need to add even more variables and condem another generation of offspring to an uncertain future because they simply cant do an ordinary job because they are conformationally unsound? Ordinary horses still need good conformation.
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I have to agree completely with the abve from partoow - well said!
i dont know about you but a good all rounder needs good all round conformation i like my ordinary horses to be my partner for a long time and giving them the best start possible is what i am encouraging here. Like you said even using graded horses from years of proven bloodlines still does not guarantee a good end product. So are you sugesting we need to add even more variables and condem another generation of offspring to an uncertain future because they simply cant do an ordinary job because they are conformationally unsound? Ordinary horses still need good conformation.
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I have to agree completely with the abve from partoow - well said!
severnmiles
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i dont know about you but a good all rounder needs good all round conformation i like my ordinary horses to be my partner for a long time and giving them the best start possible is what i am encouraging here. Like you said even using graded horses from years of proven bloodlines still does not guarantee a good end product. So are you sugesting we need to add even more variables and condem another generation of offspring to an uncertain future because they simply cant do an ordinary job because they are conformationally unsound? Ordinary horses still need good conformation.
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I have to agree completely with the abve from partoow - well said!
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Also having worked with 4* horses and pointers I can also tell you horses can reach the top and stay sound being allsorts of different shapes, you line up the countries 4* horses and you'll have a field day picking out faults. An allrounder should have no problem staying sound, it wouldn't be under the pressue of an ultra fit pointer or eventer so I fail to see where you are coming from?
People do travel for good horses, so I also am not quite sure of that comment either. Bonza is my neighbour so knows the mare, therefore can comment a little more acurately.
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i dont know about you but a good all rounder needs good all round conformation i like my ordinary horses to be my partner for a long time and giving them the best start possible is what i am encouraging here. Like you said even using graded horses from years of proven bloodlines still does not guarantee a good end product. So are you sugesting we need to add even more variables and condem another generation of offspring to an uncertain future because they simply cant do an ordinary job because they are conformationally unsound? Ordinary horses still need good conformation.
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I have to agree completely with the abve from partoow - well said!
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Also having worked with 4* horses and pointers I can also tell you horses can reach the top and stay sound being allsorts of different shapes, you line up the countries 4* horses and you'll have a field day picking out faults. An allrounder should have no problem staying sound, it wouldn't be under the pressue of an ultra fit pointer or eventer so I fail to see where you are coming from?
People do travel for good horses, so I also am not quite sure of that comment either. Bonza is my neighbour so knows the mare, therefore can comment a little more acurately.
Partoow
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You really dont have to 'tell me about your vast experience . If it is so deep and so complete why this post at all?
I think its very sad that having spent so long at a good stud that you learnt so little from it.
It is also the case that there may be people out there that are also vastly experienced and have been for a few more years than you have actually been around.
In Germany and Holland the vast majority of breeders are breeding with the 'normal' rider in mind as this is where the volume sales are. Its just structured and organised to help people not exclude them. I dont see you point at all. Why ask opinions when you obviously know the answer you want to hear.
I think its very sad that having spent so long at a good stud that you learnt so little from it.
It is also the case that there may be people out there that are also vastly experienced and have been for a few more years than you have actually been around.
In Germany and Holland the vast majority of breeders are breeding with the 'normal' rider in mind as this is where the volume sales are. Its just structured and organised to help people not exclude them. I dont see you point at all. Why ask opinions when you obviously know the answer you want to hear.