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Perhaps turn it around to think that the horse sounds like it has medical and behavioural issues - even if you got it back it doesn't sound like it would be the type of horse you could sell on easily.
What goes around comes around - let the girl that currently has him pick up the vets bills
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Funny you should say that.....
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Well it boils down to how much you have lost on the horse

If its £'000s I would do a small claims court on the original owners, as they knew he had problems

Then with your girl problem - if deposit was less than £800 I'd pick him up and take him to potters as that's not even meat money!

I'd never let anyone take a horse on trial or off the farm without being full paid for- its because so many horsey people seem terrible at paying their bills
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No-one told her she HAD to keep him, she WANTS to. I've said to her that she should go for loss of use on him but she insists that her vet says he isn't that bad? She is still riding him and indeed taking him to clinics and hunting etc.
 
I think I would go to my local citizens advice bureau.A letter from them on your behalf might just make them all see the light .I feel sure they would draught a letter for you.
You have nothing to lose from one meeting.
 
I'm very sorry too.... One thing watch out that she does not turn it round on you and try and either send it back when its old or when she does not want it anymore or lump a big vets bill on you cus your the owner???? If you can't trust her now can you trust her when she does not want the horse?

It all fits well with the person thats got it now but what happens when she does not want it and the horse looks like it can't be sold on very well cus of its problems.

I say walk away and learn a lesson but look at it atleast you don't have the problem of the horse anymore and just move and put it down to life.

If you going to walk away sign the horse over to her now before it all come back on you again.
 
What paperwork did you have when you arranged the loan? I am assuming that you got something signed to say who had responsibility for what and, most importantly, that it was a loan or trial? Loans and trials work well in many cases, but you must agree everything in writing up front.

I think you have to leave the old owner out of this now, she clearly doesnt want to be involved.

Seems to me you have 2 options - either go through the small claims court (its cheap and easy, you can do it online - £30 (ish), but you will need some proof ie the loan agreement otherwise she will probably win by showing that money changed hands. The only problem is that you dont want the horse back, which would likely be the outcome.

The 2nd option is to just walk away and put it down to bitter experience (I personally think you should do the 1st option as I dont see why they should get away with it. I would be amazed if there had been any vets visits, I bet she just said that to put off paying). Did you ever get a copy of the so called 'vetting' she had done?
 
oh poor you. what a horrible situation to be in.

but you need to get some proper legal advice, as you do not what to end up with the vets bills or the horse dumped back on your doorstep and not able to sell it on.

find out where you stand legally and sign over ownership of the horse to this other girl.

have a good cry and a few gin & tonics and put the whole episode down to experience and move on.
 
tbh I would go and get the horse and have him dealt with responsibly, since it sounds like PTS may be in his best interests...
Do you have anything in writing about the horse exchange you did previously, as surely this would be an avenue to pursue, I suppose it depends on the worth of the horses involved.
 
Ok, The person who has him now drafted up a loan agreement stating that he was her sole responsibility and any vets fee's incurred are to be paid for by her, he was then vetted, yes I was sent the report and have let my vet look at it. I have also had a litigation solicitor look at it who also got confirmation fom the vets that it was genuine. My solicitors view is to go and get the horse but I CAN'T have it back, so it does now leave me with 1 option which is to just walk away.
She emailed today claiming she owned him, which I pointed out to her that as she hadn't paid for him then how could she? But she said I signed the passport, is that proof of ownership? If so, then she must own him but I have emails stating she will pay when he comes good, yeah, right.
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You signed the passport over to her?? Why would you do that before receiving the money owing?

That aside; you know what I would do? I would call her bluff. Say you are coming to collect the horse next weekend unless she pays up. Of course you would then have to see it through if she did indeed give the horse up.....but the sounds of it, she has absolutely no intention of giving the horse up!
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No I don't and I don't even know what use he would be, my vet said no to even dressage! All the people I know want to compete, so he really is no use. She seems to think he's going to be fine, she's ignoring what my vet has said!
 
I did call her bluff once, although it was for real, I told her we would be coming to pick him up the following day and he was going to staying with my dressage instructor, who knew the horse and liked him, but she said she wanted to hang on to him to give him more time under her vets treatment etc etc blah blah blah....

At the end of the day, she knows I don't want him back, so she is playing me.

The passport HAS to stay with the horse in this country.
 
from where I stand I can see two choices... sign him over and walk away, or take him back and end his suffering.... if he is as bad as your vet says then and he cannot lead a useful life then the deed must be done. even if a deposit has been paid you should be still able to get him as they have not paid the outstanding balance, adn the deposit paid should cover delivery and collection costs
 
Then call her bluff again! I personally would not walk away from the money owing unless it was just a few hundred pounds, and even then it would be the principle of the thing.

I know the passport has to remain with the horse....but it does not have to be in HER name, it should have remained in YOUR name as you are the legal owner of the horse.
 
The passport does not denote legal ownership, al it does is list the name of the 'keeper' in the same way the registration doc on your car does.

As the others have said....sign the horse over and walk away or go and get it back. This is theft and you are pussyfooting around trying to play her silly games.

Put the horse on the lorry and either take it to Potters or take it home and look after it. Im sorry but I cannot understand how you can let this go on when you know that the vet has said it shouldnt even be ridden.

The horse belongs to you.....take responsibility for it or get the money she owes you.
 
This is all rather complicated but obviously the horse is yours. I would call her bluff and tell her if she doesn't pay up - in full - by X date, then you will be collecting the horse and driving him straight to Potters. Mean this and ultimately, if she won't pay, do it.
 
Dont be so hard on your self. Im sure you were putting the best interests of the horse first when you agreed to a trial period. I know that when you have a difficult horse it not easy to find a good home and a trial maybe the only option.
 
I agree with the calling the bluff, for the horses sake as much as anything, he sounds like what she wants to do with him will not be good for him
 
Yes and there's the real possibility that he will injure her- and she may then decide that he's your horse after all and you are therefore somehow responsible for her injury...

However, I think the first owners are actually the baddies here; they didn't just cheat you out of a bit of money- they could have got you killed. I'd go for them, I think; point out you can't get your money back on the horse because its injured and they concealed this, and ask them to make up the shortfall.
 
If you want a fight then I would take action against both the seller and the purchaser and because the seller mislead you let them have the horse back to sort it out. The small claims court is cheep and easy as one can do it on-line.

Alternatively if you do not want any more aggrovation agree with the purchaser that the horse is now their property and responsibility (get them to sign a piece of paper stating this) and forget all about it and put it down to experience. After all you don't want your mother injured while she is handling the horse as this could have serious implications for you and your family.
 
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Talk of taking people to court is a waste of time and money and will only make you more stressed and unhappy. Private sales and horse swaps are not covered by the law.

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Actually, they are! I was involved in one recently when former owner - who had given me an in-foal mare she no longer wanted - changed her mind and decided she wanted the mare and her foal back some time down the line. She took me to court - Small Claims - I won!
 
horse swaps (as you now know, isnt hindsight a great thing!), bad idea.

Get some gutso and get the horse back, this girl is truly taking you for a ride. OR sign it over.

Sounds like it will cost you more to get it PTS or sorted out.

Personally I'd get it back and have it shot before this silly girl either kills the horse or herself.
 
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