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Nice to hear someone stand by an opinion. And I'm hard hearted too as I accept these things go on...without snivelling....
Bullfighting - have you read 'Death in the Afternoon' - gives a whole different perspective?
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I dont know how anyone can say that they watched that and it didnt upset them, yes we all know that things like this go on all over the world and that there isnt anything we can do about it!
But to watch an animal suffer in a way like they suffered when they had no chance of putting up a decent fight, and to not get upset!
The mind boggles!
 
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I didn't say it didn't upset me...but it takes a lot to make me cry!
And I don't think giving an animal a chance to 'put up a decent fight' makes it acceptable either - you should be ashamed of yourself!
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I didn't say it didn't upset me...but it takes a lot to make me cry!
And I don't think giving an animal a chance to 'put up a decent fight' makes it acceptable either - you should be ashamed of yourself!
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I should be ashamed of myself....... dont make me laugh!!!
It doesnt make it right if they could put up a fight! But its hardly good to watch something thats totally one-sided without getting upset!
And who said i was aiming it at you and you alone???
 
Good reply Ladylisa....
I wasn't entirely serious...just felt you had misread my post so I would return the favour
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I'm sure you and I are agreed that the rodeo video doesn't demonstrate acceptable standards of horse handling or even business sense, considering the value of the stock they're abusing.
There's probably not much we can do about it though....
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based on the first few mins of the video before i had to turn it off almost in tears:
ANYBODY who uses fource like it is shown on this clip or where ever, against horses, should never be allowed to touch a horse let alone brake them in by fourceing them down on the ground and holding there ears etc etc. it is completly barbaric, and completly unessecary to inflict that much pain on an animal just to get on it. and to who ever said that ear twitching is like lip twitching has no concept of animal cruelty. of course a horse is going to stand still and be quite because the twisting and BITEING (Extream!) cause so much pain that the horse has no choice but to stand still. get someone to twitch your ear and see how you like it! twitching the lip actually releases endorphins around the body hence why horses lax out, but are still fully functional. twitching the ear, well i could go on, but in one word abuse.

horses are NOT some wild ferocious meat eating animal that needs to be restrained, and fourced like this, there are better and far more proven ways to brake in a horse that doesnt involve any fource at all. people who still brake in horses like this oviously have no desire to better them selves, and will forever be ignorant in the way of horses, and continue to abuse them.
as for the horse being slamed against the side of the pen, what the hell! and who ever said the horse had fallen down and the man was trying to get it up, its called opening the door and giving it space to move!! repeatidly wacking it against the wall is NOT gunna make it get up, look at the look on its face, the horse didnt even understand why he was being treated like this. he didnt no what the man wanted, he just thought he was getting smacked against the side of the crate for no reason. the out of this world no commen sense mind set these people have just amazes me. it almost makes me feel sorry for them that they can not see the huge error in there ways.

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yes, before anyone says, i no that people have said it is one sided point of view video, and i agree, because i have seen a well run rodeo in NZ. but it makes you think as to how much of this type of behaviour goes on in the rodeos and other places. the mind boggles...
 
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yes, before anyone says, i no that people have said it is one sided point of view video, and i agree, because i have seen a well run rodeo in NZ. but it makes you think as to how much of this type of behaviour goes on in the rodeos and other places. the mind boggles...

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meant to say: because i have seen a well run rodeos in NZ with NO barbaric behaviour like this AT ALL.
im fumeing so much i didnt finish what i was saying.
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omg that washorrific i feel sick i had to turn it off those people should be tortured that was and is awful, lets just hope those poor animals will be rescued xxxx
 
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I can't access YouTube at work but from your comments I take it this video is of certain rodeo events particularly calf roping and bronc riding. Since it is obvious that none of you have actually seen a rodeo and know nothing about the various events, let me enlighten you.
As far as this being a testoterone thing, let me assure you that many women compete in team roping and breakaway calf roping. Its not just for cowboys. Steer and calf roping have been around for 100's of years. In the days of the open range it was the only way to capture cattle to doctor, brand, castrate, etc. Even today it is often the most practical way to catch sick calves to doctor them. Understand, our farms and ranches are much larger than yours, one pasture may be several hundred acres. Over time roping contests developed to test the horse's and cowboy/girl's skill. It takes a highly trained horse/roper team to be successful at roping contests. Injuries to the calves and steers are rare, they do happen but are not common. Kind of like injuries to horses while fox hunting or at X country events.
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When the calves become too big to rope, they are sent to feed lots and eventually wind up a steaks and burgers. The steers are a special breed of Mexican cattle called Corrientes and generally have fairly long lives.
The rough stock, broncs and bulls, are bred specifically for bucking. A good bucking horse or bull can be worth tens of thousands of $$$ and are cared for accordingly. There is a bucking stock registry for both cattle and horses, complete with pedigrees. To set the record straight, they don't just use stallions or geldings as bucking horses, there have been many famous bucking mares. They don't use a strap around the penis or testicles of either the horses or the bulls. There is a strap around the flank of the animal that is supposed to make them buck higher. If the strap is too tight it would restrict their movement and prevent them from bucking properly. The truth is most of these animals would buck even without the strap. Rough stock, both horses and bulls work a few seconds a weekend and recieve the best of care the rest of the time. They aren't terrified of people, they aren't bucking because they are scared, they are bucking because that is what they are bred to do. Their rate of injury is less than that of racing, show jumping and certainly X country.
For the person that said America is a cruel and evil country, I believe there is a whole forum on H & H devoted to bemoaning the fact that shredding a fox with hounds or terriers has been outlawed in Britian!
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I think you need to bear in mind when making comparisons to fox hunting that not everyone on here is in favour of that either. I bet you at least some of the people that have posted on this rodeo topic either don't go hunting because they just don't want to do it, or are not in favour of it. The fact remains, what I just viewed was disgusting and horrific. And I don't care if that is not the norm. The number of cases I have just watched is enough to put me right off. It's a disgrace.
 
It may be clever editing and as always with these animal cruelty videos, the worst possible footage is shown.
My opinion is this:
Well run and professional rodeos are no worse than any other equine sport, but with all walks of life there are cruel and abusive people that don't give a stuff about animal welfare. Some of the footage is awful and it's not something I would condone, without knowing the source of the material it is hard to make too much of a judgement. PETA could easily make a video as horrific by taking all racing or eventing accidents and putting them all together in a film and using words like "terror" and "cruelty".

I am not saying that any of the footage is acceptable but its never wise to fully base your opinion on a youtube video alone
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i watched it until they were throwing the calf's around......its is distusting and i am crying. how can anybody call treating animals like that entertainment??????
 
i just read through the whole post and i can agree with some people....but after seeing that video how can anyone who has horses or rides horses not get upset? (maybe im just a baby)

oh and weezy im not having a go but how can you support bullfighting??!! i just dont see how anyone can support practices that wind up an animal to provide entertainment , be it horses or any animal. what about dancing bears? i know in other countries its tradition but i just dont see how people can look at an animal that is obviously upset and find it fun to watch.

i know not all rodeos are not like that, but banging a horses head against metal bars or biting its ears, or pulling a young calf all around the floor it not right, there is surely a better and more humane way to restrain animals. (as we all know) so in my eyes its just for entertainment. why else would they show it all in front of all those people? who paid for it!!

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NOT a nice video at all. I found it very distressing to watch in the same way as I dislike watching horses fall racing, BUT as with so many of these "foxhunting/racing/other is cruel" videos I'm sure it doesn't represent rodeo any better than all the LACS videos that so outrage foxhunters, or the PETA videos that ONLY show horses falling/breaking legs racing. We know LACS and PETA to be very one-sided and NOT to represent these sports accurately so why should we assume automatically that THIS particular video is a true representation of what happens at a Rodeo? I have no doubt that cruelty and abuse DO occur in rodeo as they do in eventing (Amy Tryon) and showing (soring of TWH and overfeeding horses/ponies) and showjumping (rapping) etc etc...
TBH I take all these 'cruelty/abuse' videos with a huge pinch of salt.
 
Fox hunting and Bull fighting, neither bother me in the slightest.

But that is just horrible, whats to be proud about beating a calf? Sickening.
 
But why should you assume that calf beating happens regularly? Not that that makes it acceptable of course. I was just pointing out how most of these cruelty vids are edited to send precisely the message the maker wants; that such-and-such sport is barbaric. They are never made to present a balanced view.
 
Precisely! PETA would have us all turn our horses away and never ride them again...
A well-balanced video wouldn't have everyone as outraged and up in arms as they've been in this thread, would it?
I do agree, though, that cruelty to horses (or any animal for that matter) in ANY form should be fought wherever and whenever it's encountered.
 
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I guess because it suits some people to believe that.
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I didn't watch this video however by the sounds of it I've seen this video before and I'll say what I said the last time I commented on it - this is not an NPRA rodeo and as such does not conform to standard regulations.

I go to rodeo's a lot; all of them are NPRA and never ever do I see mistreatment of any animal, be it horse, steer or calf.

It seems that a lot of people are actually very ignorant of what goes on in rodeos; I know the topic isn't funny but boy did I have a "laugh out loud" moment when I read the person telling us where the Flank Strap goes on the broncos PMSL!! Jeez, ignorance in the highest order! And as for it only being stallions or geldings they use in bronc riding.....please! Go do some research
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You know, if you are going to decry something.....it really is worth your while to find out the facts
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I do not condone these backstreet rodeos and no-one I know with any decency would attend one. Don't tar them all with the same brush because they are just not comparable I'm afraid.
 
Have to say I did not think it was that bad either. I think its rough handling which perhaps a lot of people are not used to as we have different methods in this country and spoil our horses rotten.
 
As a newbie I'm shocked at some of the replies to this post
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Have to say I did not think it was that bad either. I think its rough handling which perhaps a lot of people are not used to as we have different methods in this country and spoil our horses rotten.

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I can't believe what I have just read. You didn't think it was 'that bad' to see a horse's head banged repeatedly against metal bars? Or to see horses ridden to death until they were dying on the floor, only to have another horse ridden over the top of them? Even the calves being dragged along the ground, legs bound, whilst they succumb to death, or those with broken necks/legs etc unable to move being dragged along the ground - in your opinion this was just 'rough handling'???
If you didn't think that was 'that bad' I'd hate to see what you thought IS 'that bad'.
I am really shocked at your statement.
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I can't believe what I have just read. You didn't think it was 'that bad' to see a horse's head banged repeatedly against metal bars? Or to see horses ridden to death until they were dying on the floor, only to have another horse ridden over the top of them? Even the calves being dragged along the ground, legs bound, whilst they succumb to death, or those with broken necks/legs etc unable to move being dragged along the ground - in your opinion this was just 'rough handling'???
If you didn't think that was 'that bad' I'd hate to see what you thought IS 'that bad'.
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They were ridden to death? Are you sure they didn't lose their balance and get winded then edited so that we don't see them get up? Many of the images were very, very unpleasant and unquestionably depict acts of abuse, but, as I've said before you're wrong to assume this happens ALL the time at ALL rodeos. And yes, even ONE incident of cruelty is bad enough, and is unacceptable, but I've read lots and lots of threads on HHO with people describing rough handling, abuse, neglect, etc in ALL spheres of equestrian life. It's not just rodeo!
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Have to say I did not think it was that bad either. I think its rough handling which perhaps a lot of people are not used to as we have different methods in this country and spoil our horses rotten.

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I can't believe what I have just read. You didn't think it was 'that bad' to see a horse's head banged repeatedly against metal bars? Or to see horses ridden to death until they were dying on the floor, only to have another horse ridden over the top of them? Even the calves being dragged along the ground, legs bound, whilst they succumb to death, or those with broken necks/legs etc unable to move being dragged along the ground - in your opinion this was just 'rough handling'???
If you didn't think that was 'that bad' I'd hate to see what you thought IS 'that bad'.
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They were ridden to death? Are you sure they didn't lose their balance and get winded then edited so that we don't see them get up? Many of the images were very, very unpleasant and unquestionably depict acts of abuse, but, as I've said before you're wrong to assume this happens ALL the time at ALL rodeos. And yes, even ONE incident of cruelty is bad enough, and is unacceptable, but I've read lots and lots of threads on HHO with people describing rough handling, abuse, neglect, etc in ALL spheres of equestrian life. It's not just rodeo!
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I have to say that at no point have I ever made the assumption (or stated the assumption here) that this kind of practice exists ALL the time at ALL rodeos. It would be incredulous if that were the case.
However, even though footage may have been cut in a certain way, the camera does not lie. Those images were, sadly enough, real. And horrific to boot.
I am sure cruelty goes on in other disciplines/fields where animals are involved. My point is purely that I object to cruelty and thus I object to what I saw in that film. For people to think it was just 'rough handling' and 'not that bad'......Well, I would hate to think where they draw the line on cruelty frankly. The men I saw on that video - Well the best punishment for them would be to receive the same treatment. They disgust me. So many people on here are horrified about the AT case, and yet here is a video that depicts cruelty in a similar way. Why are so many people so quick to defend it?
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That is accidental - take another look at the video; it is perfectly clear that the calves are being pulled along by an unmounted and runaway horse. These calves wear protective headgear; they are worth money; there is no way any owner wants their cattle damaged ..... however sometimes this does happen .... and perhaps more so at these unregulated places although I wouldn't have any facts of figures about this as I have never been to an unregulated rodeo.

I am not suggesting that some of the scenes were not mildly distressing; they clearly were more distressing for some people than others judging by the mixed responses on this thread.

You may also like to consider what happens after these events where accidents may occur - yes there may be some fatalities occuring from these accidents but don't assume that every animal in those arenas dies afterwards.
 
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