Confused? (Grey Eyes)

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Hey guys:)

So as you all know I have a stunning little homozygous palomino who I absolutely adore. Lately though his eyes have really started tearing - at first I thought it might be irritation from all the flies we're having lately, but it kept watering/tearing even after he wore a fly mask for about a day. I got the vet out (I'm one of those owners that get the vet out for ANYTHING). The vet explained to me that he has "grey eyes" and that it was a common thing for horses with the dilute colour gene (hope I'm explaining this right and not getting muddled up myself) - he says that this unfortunately means that my horse's eyes will forever be more irritable than those of a horse without the gene and that age will definitely make it worse. He now has to wear a fly mask whenever he is outside so that the sun's light wont bother his eyes or the dust - his tearing has now completely gone away since we've been keeping his eyes shaded and away from the sun.

I was wondering if anybody else has some experience with "grey eyes"? The vet that examined my horse is world renowned so I trust him 100% but does anybody have any extra info on it? Could anybody explain it further to me? What would you guys do if you were in my situation?
 
You can't have a homozygous palomino as by definition a palomino is heterozygous for the cream gene.

Do you mean a cremello?

They are not weak eyes but the pink skin is more susceptible to sunburn.
 
s4sugar said:
You can't have a homozygous palomino as by definition a palomino is heterozygous for the cream gene.

Do you mean a cremello?

They are not weak eyes but the pink skin is more susceptible to sunburn.
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Nope sugar. Not cremello. He's a sooty palomino with the recessive gene - not sure what you would call it then. His eyes arent pink but GREY
 
Is your horse a champagne? Champagne horses can appear very similar to palominos but they have different eye colour/skin.

Palomino can never be homozygous it is genetically impossible.
 
team barney said:
Is your horse a champagne? Champagne horses can appear very similar to palominos but they have different eye colour/skin.

Palomino can never be homozygous it is genetically impossible.
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Possibly. I'll quickly post a picture of him so that everyone can see. He has always been classified as a palomino though?

This photos from the beginning of the year:
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Looks like a sooty palamino. The cremello gene can give an amber eye in horse colours such as smoky black. But not heard of grey eyes.
 
He isn't palomino. Could he be silver buckskin or possibly have a champagne gene?

Any chance of a close up of his eyes & do you know his breeding?
 
s4sugar said:
He isn't palomino. Could he be silver buckskin or possibly have a champagne gene?

Any chance of a close up of his eyes & do you know his breeding?
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He's a Welsh Cob x Tb. I know his dad was almost exactly his colour but was more of a metallic colour (if that makes sense) and his dam was a chestnut tb. If it helps any his half brother (on his dads side) is a cremello (will post a pic of him too). I'll take a photo of his eye tomorrow as I don't have a close up on my computer

Here's his half brother:
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MiCsarah said:
I always thought a homozeous(sp) was a coloured stallion or mare that would always have a coloured foal?
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Homozygous is having identical alleles for the same trait, so it could be for overo etc (colored horses) or it could be the cream gene causing cremello, perlino etc. Your right in what it expresses though, the certainty of the foal having the cream gene.

Horses that are heterozygous creams, with one copy of the cream gene, have a lightened hair in their coats, but to what extent and how it's expressed depends on he base color. Unless also affected by other genes - unrelated to cream - they still have dark skin and brown eyes.

When a horse is homozygous, it has two copies of the cream allele, the strongest color dilution occurs, again depending on base color.
"Cremellos are homozygous cream chestnuts, and have a cream colored body with a cream or white mane and tail.
Perlinos are homozygous cream bays, which also have a cream-colored body but a mane and tail that may be somewhat more reddish in color than a cremello.
Smoky Creams are homozygous cream blacks, and very difficult to visually distinguish from cremellos or perlinos."
Eyes and skin are affected by this."
The eyes are pale blue, paler than the unpigmented blue eyes associated with white color or white markings, or can be green (I have 2 with green eyes) and the skin is rosy-pink.
 
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I have an American friend who says he may be "dunskin" (personally I've never heard of it), I'm not sure if I want to go by this as I don't know it, but she sent me this pic and said it's a dunskin (and it does ever so slightly resemble my horse's colour). Anybody here know anything about "dunskin"s?

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Anyway, getting off of the topic - the main reason I was posting is to find out if anybody know anything about grey eyes but so far all I've come up with is that palomino's cant have grey eyes? Is he maybe then not a palomino? Do any of you know another horse with grey eyes?
 
I've never heard of any horses with grey eyes. green, very pale blue, amber - never grey.
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Green eyed perlino, Kegas
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Green eyed perlino, Habib Shael
 
Dunskins are bay-based and have inherited the dun dilution gene as well as the cremello dilution gene, this makes them genetically both buckskin and dun, hence the name.

They look a bit different from regular duns in that they tend to have a clearer, more golden tone to their body color, as opposed to a regular dun, whose body color is usually duller or sootier.

So a dunskin is:
A black horse
With a bay(agouti gene) this make a bay horse
and a creme gene this makes a buckskin
and a dun gene then this makes a dunskin

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SWTeke said:
Dunskins are bay-based and have inherited the dun dilution gene as well as the cremello dilution gene, this makes them genetically both buckskin and dun, hence the name.

They look a bit different from regular duns in that they tend to have a clearer, more golden tone to their body color, as opposed to a regular dun, whose body color is usually duller or sootier.

So a dunskin is:
A black horse
With a bay(agouti gene) this make a bay horse
and a creme gene this makes a buckskin
and a dun gene then this makes a dunskin

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They also have a dorsal stripe and often some barring on the legs. OP my sister has a horse that is the same colour as yours and she is equally baffled by his colour. His father was palamino and mother a buckskin.
 
Wagtail said:
They also have a dorsal stripe and often some barring on the legs. OP my sister has a horse that is the same colour as yours and she is equally baffled by his colour. His father was palamino and mother a buckskin.
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The worst is when showing judges ask me what colour he is and I'm left thinking for about 5 minutes trying to explain how we aren't really sure - but his passport says palomino. It always leaves me feeling like a bloomin idiot:p

@Teke: His eyes are blue/green as they almost look normal unless you look closely - which is basically the only time you'll notice that they aren't brown but a deep grey (not a cloudy, cataract type of grey though)
 
Hi All

I know this thread is quite old but my mare foaled last week. She had a buckskin filly and she seems to have grey eyes. I have never heard or seen this before. Did you ever get a picture of his eyes queen of cadence?
 
QueenOfCadence said:
Nope sugar. Not cremello. He's a sooty palomino with the recessive gene - not sure what you would call it then. His eyes arent pink but GREY
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Still can't be homozygous, he is red with one cream gene plus the sooty - never heard of one with grey eyes though - can you post a picture?

Not heard of dilute eyes being more susceptible (except on those with pink skin) and never on a single dilute like your boys.
 
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