Convicted London rioters should loose all benefits

Yeo they should lose benefits AND they possessions - iPods, Phones etc etc. They should also be made to do community service - that being tidying up the mess they made AND having to rebuild the buildings they destroyed however long that may take them. Funny isn't it these 'disadvantaged' teenagers manage to organise these riots on their expensive phones and via websites for which one assumes they either have computers or again are doing this on their iphones/blackberries etc!!!
 
The E-Petitions site seems to have crashed due to 'Unusually high demand'!!
Wonder why that could be..............!
 
The first lot of defendants to pass through the courts were in the main, not unemployed. If memory serves me right there was a graphic designer, a PHD graduate and several other professional men in their 20's.
Even more scary...
 
ladyt25 said:
Yeo they should lose benefits AND they possessions - iPods, Phones etc etc. They should also be made to do community service - that being tidying up the mess they made AND having to rebuild the buildings they destroyed however long that may take them. Funny isn't it these 'disadvantaged' teenagers manage to organise these riots on their expensive phones and via websites for which one assumes they either have computers or again are doing this on their iphones/blackberries etc!!!
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Erm - should read before I post my replies - I mean "Yes" and "lose benefits and THEIR possessions"!
 
horserider said:
The first lot of defendants to pass through the courts were in the main, not unemployed. If memory serves me right there was a graphic designer, a PHD graduate and several other professional men in their 20's.
Even more scary...
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Well, I sincerely hope they lose their jobs as a result. Disgraceful. I can't sign the petition at work as page is blocked.
 
Signed. I this is totaly disgusting. We are all having a tough time at the moment. I just dont understand how destroying and looting prooves any point, just costs everyone a whole load more money. Bring back national service I say, teach the little twits some repsect for others and themselves.
 
Magicmillbrook said:
Signed. I this is totaly disgusting. We are all having a tough time at the moment. I just dont understand how destroying and looting prooves any point, just costs everyone a whole load more money. Bring back national service I say, teach the little twits some repsect for others and themselves.
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National Service indeed, and bring back teachers ability in schools to instill discipline, from primary school upwards. They get away with murder in schools and continue to do so when they leave.

Use the water cannons with smart water and ruin their expensive designer clothes and trainers they are all wearing from the start (not so poor are they so they cannot afford £75 hoodies and £80 trainers).

They are moaning the youths are "underpriviliged", poor communities, no youth clubs, nothing to do, no propects, poverty level. Bulls*@! What about the UK following WW1 and WW11. Hardly properous times but there was no rioting or looting. This is just an excuse because they know they can and nobody will stop them. If the police so much as lay a finger on one of them it will be "police brutality". Where is the Army. The UK Gov is quick enough to send them into foreign countries to restore law and order - oh of course those foreign countries have huge oil reserves.
 
A rioter just about to speak on BBC1 .... this should be interesting. Hope he choses his words carefully or he could be lynched on his departure from the building!
 
Ah - he's not in the building - pre recorded. Aggressive shopping! Well that puts a whole new slant on it. I thought aggressive shopping was going into town on s Saturday when all and sundry are there and fighting your way to the meat counter! Now I know it means call all yer mates innit and get and loot n' set fire to anyone elses property you can find!
 
Rubber bullets and water cannon were authorised today, so we don't need the petition for those.
I would think that the teaching assistant will be jobless very soon as it will not look good for the school they are at.
Hopefully the rain will put them off at least in Nottinghamshire tonight, not sure what the weather is like in the other rioting areas.
 
How evil and non-understanding....racist too!

Looked at the photos of the little darlings in the Sun...Hmmm, seems to be a typical rioter description. Male and a race that must not be noticed...the Voldemort effect in the news articles. You're racist if you notice just who is the typical rioter/thief/arsonist/criminal.

Don't worry, by the time they hit the Bailey the judges will make sure nothing happens to them...they are the victims after all. Being wealthy horse owners, we just don't understand.
 
DragonSlayer said:
...and a TEACHING ASSISTANT!!!!!

~Jaw drops~
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I am not totally surprised that a teaching assistant has been arrested or anyone else, but why are they back on the streets? If in a riot and arrested, they should be locked up, otherwise they will be back at work tomorrow, and out on the streets again at night.

I don't think the army want a loads of thugs working for them as conscripts, and my experience of "volunteers" also known as the young unfortunates or the young unemployable, is that they only do the kind of work they want to do, and at a work rate that no good employer would find acceptable. They have to be supervised, so that removes a capable person from the available workforce.

I am sure there are loads of young black men who want to work, and eventually they will get qualifications and a job, but there are loads of yobs of all colours who only want to be part of the "scene" and moan and groan about how the world treats them badly, they take what they want, and these riots are just new opportunities for them to extend their criminal activities.
 
I suspect that person is now an unemployed ex-teaching assistant . . . . prat . . .

Just signed the e-petition. It's up to almost 98,000 signatures now and if it gets to 100,000 it is referred to parliament for possible debate .

. . . . keep signing, people!
 
Surely there is no point in signing it? If it gets to 100,000 whoever it is will read it and go "Loose their benefits? What does that..even...what?". How CAN they debate/enact it as it is just nonsense?
 
I heard on the radio this morning that the petition for rioters to lose their benefits was presented to Parliament but that was all.

Have heard plenty on the news tonight about the rioters who were arrested appearing in court but have not heard what sentences have been imposed! Anyone know?????
 
Tinkerbee said:
Surely there is no point in signing it? If it gets to 100,000 whoever it is will read it and go "Loose their benefits? What does that..even...what?". How CAN they debate/enact it as it is just nonsense?
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What are e-petitions?
e-petitions is an easy way for you to influence government policy in the UK. You can create an e-petition about anything that the government is responsible for and if it gets at least 100,000 signatures, it will be eligible for debate in the House of Commons.

It is now on 103,342
 
In the news this morning there's alot more about the convictions of looters.
They've come down hard, someone that stole bottled water has gotten 6 months!!
Again alot of them are more privileged kids, and alot have degrees. :/
 
It's on 154,00 now.
I know it is not realistic to withdraw money as they will only steal to live as can't imagine most of them actively seeking work, and those with convictions will be undesirable, but at least the Govt will see that it is something that motivates the general public and hopefully give them the balls to start getting tough.
 
To be honest, the only way is to report individuals who are claiming benefits and who do not work, just give their name to the Benefits office, or the VAT people , and hope that you have given them enough evidence to make it worthwhile.
 
Ottinmeg said:
The 11 yr olds walked free,the 15 yr olds were given 18 hours community service etc...
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I understand it is hard to determine what sentence an 11 year old should get but there has to be some sort of punishment - not just let the them walk free! I also heard today from a friend of mine then when walking from the court with the father he (the father) made all sorts of vile jestures infront of cameras and the child followed with a torrent of abuse. They should have both been turned around and marched back into the court room. As for the 15 year old - a spell in a dentention centre wouldn't have gone amiss!

The trouble is that as much as David Cameron has said 'they will pay' - how will they pay and who will decide? A judge? Someone who has never suffered the loss that some of these people who are victims of these riots have! Someone who has never had their family run down by irresponsible scum as they tried to guard their property. Someone who has never had their child pulled of their bike beaten and then robbed. Someone who has never had a member of their family shot. Someone who has never had a member of their family beaten to death for trying to put out a fire. Someone who has never lost their home/all their possesions due to the action of mindless lowlife and so the list goes on! Maybe Parliament should be made up partially of people who have suffered at the hands of others - those who know what real pain is and know that time maybe a great healer but there are some things that are never forgotten!

If capital punishment had been restored and a few examples had been made - I am sure 'normal service would be resumed!'
 
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