Convincing an anti to let me take her pony hunting?

[j17bow]

How old is your sister?

 

[Aragon56]

My sister is 21-but she is a very, very young 21! She does not behave like a 'typical' 21 year old at all (never been drunk, had a boyfriend, gone out partying etc), and has the same sort of mentality as a 15 year old, without being mean about her.

Basically she's very naive-like the whole not eating pork/sausages/bacon thing because she thinks pigs are cute, whilst still eating chicken and cow. She also is very stubborn, and thinks she knows best, even when I'm trying to help her with her pony.

I printed off the facts from that link which I've given her to read up on, so will wait to see what she says.

 

[j17bow]

Good Luck. I was just going to say my sisters argue about the one using the others horse, and I just remind them who pays for the horse and the upkeep - my mother, so at the end of the day she owns the horse and its up to her!

 

[isabella]

I used to be very anti hunting and said i would never do it but that wouldn't mean i would try to stop others if its what they wanted to do. I am a veggy aswell lol, however after speaking to others and seeing the hunts going round my views have changed and im going to the atherstone hunt newcomers day aswell :grin: to see what its like and im really exited. I just had the thought the other day that i haven't really done that much with my mare and i want to see if its something she enjoys and it will give me something to aim for. Hopefully my friend wont bail on me otherwise ill be going on my tod lol.

 

[loopyloop]

If your friend bails you can come with us!!!

It might just be me if Tobey can't get a horse.......

I still think you should just nick her out the field D!!!!!

 

[{51248}]

If it's only drag hunting, why did this come into it ... " explaining that its far kinder than shooting or trapping foxes." ??

 

[millitiger]

i hunt with my own horses but tbh, i wouldn't try to pressure someone else (sibling or otherwise) into lending me their horse just so i could go for a jolly.
whether she has refused on cruelty issues or not, wouldn't make a difference to me, i would still respect her wishes.

i'd also be worried about something happening to the horse if you did get her to agree- i do a lot of eventing and would be mortified if i pressured someone into lending me a horse and then it went and got injured.

 

[Aragon56]

If it's only drag hunting, why did this come into it ... " explaining that its far kinder than shooting or trapping foxes." ??

Because I didn't realise that it was only drag hunting until Rosie pointed out earlier in the post that all hunts nowadays are drag hunts. This particular hunt uses an owl however, so I would assume that they use that to kill the fox once the hounds have been called off.

 

[Aragon56]

I see what you mean, but horses can get injured at any time, and unless you're riding recklessly then its just one of those things. My horse was on a long term loan when she injured herself on a cross country course with her loaner, but I don't hold it against her, I trusted that she was looking after her well and never pushed her too hard.

I think its easy to say just leave it, there will always be other times, but personally I feel that she is being quite selfish when I'm only asking to take Ruby out for a few hours. its probably because she wants to take her to a show the very next day and will say that she doesn't want to tire her out. I never ask to ride Ruby otherwise as tbh she is quite lazy and hard work to ride. At the moment the only time I get to ride her is when I'm doing my sister a favour, like she's going away on holiday. I do want her to make an informed choice, but I don't see how she can feel that strongly about hunting whilst not bothering to do any research on it so she doesn't know her facts, and eating battery farmed chicken.

LauraClover-I told mum that too, as technically Ruby belongs to her. Unfortunately she doesn't want to get involved and said its my sister's decision.

Loopyloop-I'm going to be so gutted if I can't go along with you, but you should definitely team up with the other person who's taking her horse for the first time!

 

[LauraWheeler]

Can i just say my pony went autumn hunting on mon, wed and sat the other week then on the sunday she did a 24km endurance ride. The vets at the ride where amazed she wasn't tired at the end and last season she did a days proper hunting then did a show the next day. This is when i mention she's nearly 20 years old! :shocked:
I hope you manage to persuade your sister but sadly it is up to her.

 

[FrodoBeutlin]

My sister is 21-but she is a very, very young 21! She does not behave like a 'typical' 21 year old at all (never been drunk, had a boyfriend, gone out partying etc), and has the same sort of mentality as a 15 year old, without being mean about her.

Basically she's very naive-like the whole not eating pork/sausages/bacon thing because she thinks pigs are cute, whilst still eating chicken and cow.

Please, this doesn't mean anything! At 21 I had never partied, had a bf or got drunk either - I was way too busy getting an education and studying! To me that makes her seem more, not less, responsible! :smirk:

As for the meat, I don't find it so naive. Maybe it's the first step in her path to become a vegetarian. I stopped eating rabbit because I liked them too much (as animals). Never had horse or deer for the very same reason.

I gradually stopped eating all meat, last to go was wild boar because I dislike them as they're ugly (sorry, I'm being sarcastic. But it's true that I stopped eating different types of meat gradually, over many years) I didn't realise it at the time, but they were just several steps in my path to vegetarianism.

 

[Aragon56]

My sister is 21-but she is a very, very young 21! She does not behave like a 'typical' 21 year old at all (never been drunk, had a boyfriend, gone out partying etc), and has the same sort of mentality as a 15 year old, without being mean about her.

Basically she's very naive-like the whole not eating pork/sausages/bacon thing because she thinks pigs are cute, whilst still eating chicken and cow.

Please, this doesn't mean anything! At 21 I had never partied, had a bf or got drunk either - I was way too busy getting an education and studying! To me that makes her seem more, not less, responsible! :smirk:

As for the meat, I don't find it so naive. Maybe it's the first step in her path to become a vegetarian. I stopped eating rabbit because I liked them too much (as animals). Never had horse or deer for the very same reason.

I gradually stopped eating all meat, last to go was wild boar because I dislike them as they're ugly (sorry, I'm being sarcastic. But it's true that I stopped eating different types of meat gradually, over many years) I didn't realise it at the time, but they were just several steps in my path to vegetarianism.

Unfortunately she has little work ethic either, and didn't want to go back to uni this term but she didn't really have a choice as its her final year! Seriously, responsible isn't the most accurate way to describe her; if it was up to her she'd live off our parents for the rest of her life whilst collecting various rescue animals.

I do think the meat thing is extremely naive-she can't have it both ways! I think perhaps she should go vegetarian, as she has such strong views about animals dying. The hypocritical part is that she likes the taste of meat too much, and she'd also have to cook her own meals, which I know she can't be bothered to do.

LauraWheeler-its interesting that you should say that about your pony, as my sister has now said she has a show on the next day and she wants to take Ruby to that. I don't see why she can't do both, as she's fit enough, or she could just forgo a class if she's worried about her being tired the next day.

 

[zefragile]

I don't think your sister should be expected to miss a class because you want to take her pony hunting.

 

[blackstar]

It is possible to be perfectly well informed about the realities of hunting and of the different issues that surround it, but to decide that it is something that you do not wish to support or be involved in. Not everyone who disagrees with the activity is an emotional, naeive, townie or intent on some kind of class warfare. We all have our own 'lines in the sand' and in my opinion it is not necessarily hypocritical to eat meat yet be 'anti' foxhunting. (I do neither, but I drink milk - that's my own line)

To the actual question - it is your sister's pony and if she does not want it hunted because of her own moral values then I really think that you need to respect that.

I realise it is difficult if you feel strongly that her opinion is based on misinformation or ill informed ideas, but if at heart she believes that the core idea of hunting is wrong then it will be difficult for you to persuade her otherwise. I have never been convinced by arguments relating to pest control and hunting being the most efficient way to curtail the fox population, but even if I was, then this would not necessarily mean that I felt it was morally correct to then make it an excuse for a jolly ride and bit of socialising.