cooked vs micronised linseed

[SEL]

Last winter one of my cobs was lighter than I'd like so as I order from Simple Systems anyway I tried him on one of their linseed mixes. Did the job.

Micronised linseed however (different brand) seems to make him itch. I've just had a look at the SS stuff and its cooked linseed not micronised.

Anyone else had this? I'm not sure I know what the difference is between the two!

 

[MinnieP]

This may help!

Feed Materials In Focus - How much linseed should you feed? - AskAnimalweb

Feed Materials In Focus – How much linseed meal or linseed oil should you feed and why? Linseed meal is 35-40% linseed oil, around 4% starch and 22% protein. 150ml scoop = 80g. Linseed oil is 100% oil – no protein or starch. Micronised linseed is cooked linseed meal. It is also possible to source

askanimalweb.com

 

[MinnieP]

Both of mine are on linseed meal - one has EMS. They both have one mugful each per day, and I feed it throughout the year. I supplement the EMS one with Vit E all year round and the other just over the winter.

 

[MinnieP]

PS. The EMS one is allergic to Speedibeet - itchy with lumps on skin!

But the other will be getting Speedibeet over the winter (15.2hh ISH)

They also have Thunderbrooks herbal chaff and Agrobs Mash, along with Forage Plus balancer. Both maintain weight well but are not fat by any means.

Sorry, I’ll stop typing now!

 

[SEL]

This may help!

Feed Materials In Focus - How much linseed should you feed? - AskAnimalweb

Feed Materials In Focus – How much linseed meal or linseed oil should you feed and why? Linseed meal is 35-40% linseed oil, around 4% starch and 22% protein. 150ml scoop = 80g. Linseed oil is 100% oil – no protein or starch. Micronised linseed is cooked linseed meal. It is also possible to source

askanimalweb.com

Doesn't tell me the difference between cooked and micronised though

 

[Squeak]

Mine has had a bit of a bad/ sensitive year for his gut (really hoping he'll reset over the winter without the grass) and although he's been fine on micronised linseed in good amounts for a few winters, he was itching like mad on it this year in the summer. Usually his itching is due to sugar so I don't know why the linseed triggered it but it could be worth trying again depending on when you tried it?

 

[MinnieP]

Try this then!

Is micronised linseed the same as cooked linseed?

As title really, I'm getting a bit confused by it all :rolleyes:

forums.horseandhound.co.uk

 

[Tiddlypom]

Have you seen this old thread of mine from 2017? I posted it after I inadvertently ordered cooked linseed instead of micronised linseed. The nutritional specs were different. Anyhow, the cooked linseed smelt horrible, like stale biscuits , and senior mare refused to eat it .

Linseed - cooked vs micronised, any difference?

As above. I've been feeding Charnwood's micronised linseed to the neds for years. This time, my usual supplier (Farm and Pet Place) has supplied 'cooked linseed meal' instead. Is this a direct equivalent, or should I be concerned? I have only opened the bag tonight, and would normally feed...

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[SEL]

Have you seen this old thread of mine from 2017? I posted it after I inadvertently ordered cooked linseed instead of micronised linseed. The nutritional specs were different. Anyhow, the cooked linseed smelt horrible, like stale biscuits , and senior mare refused to eat it .

Linseed - cooked vs micronised, any difference?

As above. I've been feeding Charnwood's micronised linseed to the neds for years. This time, my usual supplier (Farm and Pet Place) has supplied 'cooked linseed meal' instead. Is this a direct equivalent, or should I be concerned? I have only opened the bag tonight, and would normally feed...

forums.horseandhound.co.uk

I did see that one, but managed to get myself even more confused (not sure it takes much....)

The Charnwood stuff is what makes the horse itch, but simple systems use cooked full fat linseed in their balancer pellets.

So I think its something to do with the micronisation process versus the cooking process but I couldn't work out from the various old posts on here if they really were two different techniques.

Or it could just be he was getting a lot less linseed with the SS stuff last winter, or as @Squeak says it might be gut related. We are having some gut issues with the wet long grass at the moment.

For weight purposes I can hold off feeding it, but his coat is looking a bit rank so I thought the oils might help. Mad itching though was not helpful!

Might email SS - they're usually helpful

 

[MinnieP]

Could you just try supplementing with pure linseed oil instead perhaps?

 

[criso]

Charnwood have their own process which is trademarked and uses infrared to cook. It should be written micronized® but sometimes it's just written micronises. Others are cooked.

To confuse matters charnwood do supply other people who repackage, I thought they were the supplier for SS but that may have changed.

There are differences in starch levels in the different processes.

 

[SEL]

Could you just try supplementing with pure linseed oil instead perhaps?

Pure oil isn't great for their guts - it has laxative properties so you need to be careful with it. He's a bit bloated and not great at the moment anyway, which I think is due to waterlogged fields changing the grass annoyingly.

Charnwood have their own process which is trademarked and uses infrared to cook. It should be written micronized® but sometimes it's just written micronises. Others are cooked.

To confuse matters charnwood do supply other people who repackage, I thought they were the supplier for SS but that may have changed.

There are differences in starch levels in the different processes.

I know they supply Pure Feeds but I think I'll ask SS.

I've had a few react to the Charnwood one over the years so I was hoping SS was different. Perhaps though I've just kicked off a sensitivity because his gut is a bit iffy in this weather. We're constantly battling tapeworm re-infestation which doesn't help.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Left field suggestion for managing dodgy guts in autumn - do you give psyllium husks at all? I’ve not had dodgy autumn guts since giving the neds a 5 day course of psyllium husks every 3 months.

I’m sure that you know that it helps to clear accumulated sand out of the gut. They are currently on a course of it now.

 

[SEL]

Left field suggestion for managing dodgy guts in autumn - do you give psyllium husks at all? I’ve not had dodgy autumn guts since giving the neds a 5 day course of psyllium husks every 3 months.

I’m sure that you know that it helps to clear accumulated sand out of the gut. They are currently on a course of it now.

I haven't - but I have some from one of those dry summers when I was worried about them eating dusty soil, so I'll add it in for a week.

Shouldn't be sand given my clay soil, but you're right that it might help with dodgy guts.

I think the last week has caught them all by surprise. Me too - I feel like I've got the winter blues and the clocks haven't even changed yet. September is usually my favourite month, but not when I'm drowning in mud already

 

[criso]

know they supply Pure Feeds but I think I'll ask SS.

I've had a few react to the Charnwood one over the years so I was hoping SS was different. Perhaps though I've just kicked off a sensitivity because his gut is a bit iffy in this weather. We're constantly battling tapeworm re-infestation which doesn't help

If you look at the nutritional breakdown the starch levels may indicate if it's Charnwood or not however some horses are just sensitive to linseed and as you said in a mix the lower levels may not have triggered it.

 

[Barton Bounty]

I prefer micronised linseed, but I prefer charnwood milling rather than any others

 

[Jambarissa]

Late to the convo, I had no idea there was any difference! I will research further.

When I had a thin one I researched cooking techniques and you don't need to boil for hours as per the old instructions. If you add boiling water and continue boiling immediately the toxins don't have any chance to build up. I used to add boiling water to a mug of linseed and cook in the microwave for 5 mins then it'd cool on the way to the stables.

It was a very cheap and effective way to feed but DO NOT put your container in the dishwasher because it's like super glue once cold.

 

[SEL]

Left field suggestion for managing dodgy guts in autumn - do you give psyllium husks at all? I’ve not had dodgy autumn guts since giving the neds a 5 day course of psyllium husks every 3 months.

I’m sure that you know that it helps to clear accumulated sand out of the gut. They are currently on a course of it now.

I would have hugged you yesterday but that flipping advert was ruining my day!

Psyllium was a genius suggestion. My littlest cob has been doing cow pats and looking quite sore behind. Huge improvement! She has an old injury on her right hind and I was convinced she'd niggled it but it must be gut related.

Baby cob is moving much better too.

No idea on the linseed front, but 2 happy cobs

 

[Tiddlypom]

Fab to hear, so pleased that it helped!