could i sell this horse without being sued

A few mixed views on here and because of that I would get a real professional to assess him. Not just a local instructor but either someone like Richard maxwell or a top trainer
 
Read the rest of this thread since I saw it last night.
OP there's no way I would sell this horse if I did not want to continue and I would not I would PTS there's no way I would send it out into the world to face god knows what .
Safer for him safer for humans it's very sad but you tried ,he was heading for slaughter for a reason .
You can't make things right for all of them.
 
please he not for sale I call him dangerous as in when does it he means it but 80 percent of the time he is an angel. He is worse with other people only because they cant read him like I do that's not skill that's over time. I was asking after what the dressage rider said and just wondered would you sell or buy this type of horse. I would never have bought him if id know three years down the line he still quirky. Its strange as never has panic moments when on top with anyone I would say a child could ride him. I do have friends who can compete him at higher level than me so that's an option. No he never barges out of the stable hes very polite in the stable its walking to and from the field he sometimes bolts for no reason you can hold him but that's when he goes up.
 
puss said:
please he not for sale I call him dangerous as in when does it he means it but 80 percent of the time he is an angel. He is worse with other people only because they cant read him like I do that's not skill that's over time. I was asking after what the dressage rider said and just wondered would you sell or buy this type of horse. I would never have bought him if id know three years down the line he still quirky. Its strange as never has panic moments when on top with anyone I would say a child could ride him. I do have friends who can compete him at higher level than me so that's an option. No he never barges out of the stable hes very polite in the stable its walking to and from the field he sometimes bolts for no reason you can hold him but that's when he goes up.
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Puss, I've taken on a horse similar. Evil in hand, particularly going in and out to field but under saddle was ace. Your right with time the get used to you and you suss each other out etc. He sounds an arse at times but manageable in competent hands.

He's probably in the past learnt that he can bolt away in hand and then did it because he knew he can. Thrown a tantrum because he cant or either the wrong person has thought they can teach him a lesson.......? That's just guess work but just something I thought.

If he's that good under saddle, someone will want him. If he was useless then I would agree with everyone else and keep him or PTS.
 
Sharing with a competitive friend would really be a good way forward .
But you don't need to do this unless you want to .
To PTS a horse that is very unpredictable 20 % of the time is not wrong to put human s first is never wrong.
I commend you for helping him and you have helped him but and this is just my view it's like the old islamic saying when you save a life you are responsible for it .
I do think you could sell him without him being sued if you produced a good paper trail to prove you had fully disclosed his history , I dont think many competion yards would want him .
If you have staff you have to be very cautious about horse that are known to be dangerous.
 
ThoroughbredStar said:
I'm sorry but some of these posts are just ridiculous and "fluffy"

If you want to sell him, sell him. If he is as talented as you say a serious/professional could buy him to compete. Lets face it some of the top horses that walked this planet were real bleeps but under saddle were s*** hot!!! If you can find the right home, why on earth wouldn't you sell!?!?!?

People get way to wrapped up in the "see it to the end" which they see as until the horse passes away. The end could be for a million reasons and people shouldn't be so damn judgemental when they don't actually know/understand the full circumstances. Sorry but some people on here really irritate the hell out of me.

You've done a grand job so far maybe someone else can take it further and make him a star!

Good luck whatever you do!!
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It's hardly fluffy to take responsibility for a dangerous horse. Of course noone can guarantee any horse's future but if you have one that is dangerous for whatever reason it should not be passed on if you have any regard for the horse and the safety of others. It's for this very reason of people passing problems on that dealers can sell unsound and or vice ridden horses.
 
puss said:
please he not for sale I call him dangerous as in when does it he means it but 80 percent of the time he is an angel. He is worse with other people only because they cant read him like I do that's not skill that's over time. I was asking after what the dressage rider said and just wondered would you sell or buy this type of horse. I would never have bought him if id know three years down the line he still quirky. Its strange as never has panic moments when on top with anyone I would say a child could ride him. I do have friends who can compete him at higher level than me so that's an option. No he never barges out of the stable hes very polite in the stable its walking to and from the field he sometimes bolts for no reason you can hold him but that's when he goes up.
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I've bought quite a few horses like this and they've all turned out to be wonderful horses with fair and consistent handling. Most things can be overcome with most horses if you know what you're doing and have the experience to handle these sorts of horses.
 
YasandCrystal said:
It's hardly fluffy to take responsibility for a dangerous horse. Of course noone can guarantee any horse's future but if you have one that is dangerous for whatever reason it should not be passed on if you have any regard for the horse and the safety of others. It's for this very reason of people passing problems on that dealers can sell unsound and or vice ridden horses.
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But she could find him a home, a good competent home that wants a horse to compete. There are plenty of capable people that would take on a quirky to handle horse. If you cant find that home then no don't sell it. I certainly do not encourage people to pass horses with problems on without a thought for either horse or others (its happened to me before!) but as she has had a dressage rider on it and says it shows more potential then this horse has that on his side. If she doesn't try she will never know :)
 
puss said:
please he not for sale I call him dangerous as in when does it he means it but 80 percent of the time he is an angel. He is worse with other people only because they cant read him like I do that's not skill that's over time. I was asking after what the dressage rider said and just wondered would you sell or buy this type of horse. I would never have bought him if id know three years down the line he still quirky. Its strange as never has panic moments when on top with anyone I would say a child could ride him. I do have friends who can compete him at higher level than me so that's an option. No he never barges out of the stable hes very polite in the stable its walking to and from the field he sometimes bolts for no reason you can hold him but that's when he goes up.
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So he's gone from being lethal, to dangerous and now quirky........:confused:
 
Sorry but I can't imagine professionals putting up with that sort of behaviour. 20% of the time deliberately dangerous and had you in hospital 4 times is not quirky by any definition.
You need to be honest with yourself about him
 
puss said:
This thread was started because I had a really good dressage rider ride him. I wanted to see how he would go with better rider. My god horse was amazing and rider thought so too she said he could go to the top with right rider. (That's not me) she said he has amazing talent then she asked me what I did with him holding my head in shame I said local shows mostly hacking. she just turned round and said hes wasted. I have never really thought of selling him because imo hes dangerous he has put me in hospital four times. When I explained this to her that's why he stays with me. She said competition people will put up with his dangerous behaviour for his talent most competition horses are quirky And she has far worse at home. It just got me thinking she is right. Again will add this horse is not for sale just wanted people opinions on this
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If this professional was so impressed with this horse why doesn't she take him on loan? She can bring out his full potential for you and put up with his behaviour, seeing as she thinks he is so special.
 
OK I just read that you got him from the meat man...so you didn't rescue him, you stopped him from being PTS and a mere 3 years later you want to off-load him to someone else?! Lovely! Either keep him for life or have the decency to put him to sleep.
 
Booboos said:
OK I just read that you got him from the meat man...so you didn't rescue him, you stopped him from being PTS and a mere 3 years later you want to off-load him to someone else?! Lovely! Either keep him for life or have the decency to put him to sleep.
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Well in July the OP was saying the horse would never be sold. So I'm curious as to the change of heart.
 
amymay dosent matter what you call him lethal dangerous quirky still leads to the same not great to handle. I will stick up for him he put me in hospital because of my own stupid mistakes it was not his fault. Even after all these years still learning and he as taught me so much.
 
puss said:
amymay dosent matter what you call him lethal dangerous quirky still leads to the same not great to handle. I will stick up for him he put me in hospital because of my own stupid mistakes it was not his fault. Even after all these years still learning and he as taught me so much.
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Oh come on Puss - there is a huge difference between the three. And the words you have used most frequently are dangerous. This is not a word people apply to any animal lightly.

I am totally staggered that anyone would suggest you selling this horse on.

But as you stated in July that you would never sell, I suppose we can all be rest assured that you won't be considering this any further.
 
On the finding a competitive home he will find a home if he performs well , if he's scoring 70% at PGS and hopping 1.30 consistently people would want him if he's jumping 90 cms and getting 70% unaffiliated prelim as an 8 yo thats nothing special.
 
puss said:
amymay dosent matter what you call him lethal dangerous quirky still leads to the same not great to handle. I will stick up for him he put me in hospital because of my own stupid mistakes it was not his fault. Even after all these years still learning and he as taught me so much.
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This is often the problem with 'quirky' or 'dangerous' horses. Put them in the hands of people who are used to dealing with hotter horses, people who have an arsenal of skills available to them and these horses can often be turned around. Not saying you are exacerbating the horse's problems but often we are all limited to our own experiences and sometimes can't see outside the box. Your hang-up seems to be that you can't move on from the horse being abused and beaten. Maybe a fresh start for this horse could be the making of him?
 
There is no bigger guilt trip than a pro rider telling you the horse could go far and you not having the confidence to do so. Been there, so can see why OP is now feeling like she should sell this horse!

There is no reason that the horse HAS to go on and fulfil it's potential. Many years ago I did my first XC lesson with my mare and the pro rider asked if I would sell her. I was at a camp and dithered and felt guilty for three days as I knew I would never go further than BE novice, if that, with her. On the last day I went to have a chat with him and said I wanted to keep her, but felt bad because she would go much further with him. He was really nice and said "don't worry about it, she will have a much nicer life with you.." And you know what, he was right. She has been with me 8 years, never gone further than BE 100 but been very loved and had a great life. Its the same for your horse. It doesn't matter if he goes all the way, you could learn a lot on him, do lower level stuff and he will still have a stable happy life, rather than perhaps being pushed too far in a more competitive home and blowing his fuses..

But on the flip side, I think its ok to sell a horse like that but you have to be VERY sure of who you are selling him to and that (a) they can handle him correctly and safely, and (b) he will be looked after well.
 
Spring Feather said:
This is often the problem with 'quirky' or 'dangerous' horses. Put them in the hands of people who are used to dealing with hotter horses, people who have an arsenal of skills available to them and these horses can often be turned around. Not saying you are exacerbating the horse's problems but often we are all limited to our own experiences and sometimes can't see outside the box. Your hang-up seems to be that you can't move on from the horse being abused and beaten. Maybe a fresh start for this horse could be the making of him?
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^^^^^^^^^^this
 
Spring Feather said:
This is often the problem with 'quirky' or 'dangerous' horses. Put them in the hands of people who are used to dealing with hotter horses, people who have an arsenal of skills available to them and these horses can often be turned around. Not saying you are exacerbating the horse's problems but often we are all limited to our own experiences and sometimes can't see outside the box. Your hang-up seems to be that you can't move on from the horse being abused and beaten. Maybe a fresh start for this horse could be the making of him?
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Absolutely this ^^^^^

OP, as long as you are totally honest and sell to someone who knows what they're doing, the horse might benefit from a new home.
That's not to say that your home isn't good enough ! I wouldn't worry about his talent, horses are just horses. gifted or bog-standard, all that matters is that the owner does their best and seeks help when needed.
 
Goldenstar said:
On the finding a competitive home he will find a home if he performs well , if he's scoring 70% at PGS and hopping 1.30 consistently people would want him if he's jumping 90 cms and getting 70% unaffiliated prelim as an 8 yo thats nothing special.
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Totally agree, if he's anything other than brilliant he is likely to be passed from pillar to post. My friends used to have a pony that would try and bite and kick anyone who came within 6ft but it could jump any jump from any angle. One day it went sour and was soon sold on.
I've also heard of a horse that's so difficult it only gets used in competitions that's it.
There was a quote I read many years ago something along the lines of- I don't mind it being a house devil as long as its a street angel.
 
I would not want to be anywhere near a horse like this, talent or no. I had a pony like this, bought cheap as a project - cheap for a reason I found out. He would attack without warning; boxing, biting, charging at you, and by God he meant it. I had him put down, because I couldn't bear the thought of him seriously hurting someone. His temperament meant he would never have a happy life, anywhere.
Just out of interest OP, your horse is a gelding and not an entire? (Or even a rig?)
 
puss said:
This thread was started because I had a really good dressage rider ride him. I wanted to see how he would go with better rider. My god horse was amazing and rider thought so too she said he could go to the top with right rider. (That's not me) she said he has amazing talent then she asked me what I did with him holding my head in shame I said local shows mostly hacking. she just turned round and said hes wasted. I have never really thought of selling him because imo hes dangerous he has put me in hospital four times. When I explained this to her that's why he stays with me. She said competition people will put up with his dangerous behaviour for his talent most competition horses are quirky And she has far worse at home. It just got me thinking she is right. Again will add this horse is not for sale just wanted people opinions on this
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So as she put the idea in your head what does she suggest? Where are her contacts? Does she want to take him on loan? Ask her directly I would.
 
I think there are plenty of experienced people out there who would take on a horse like this, if talented under saddle. As long as seller is totally honest with the buyer, then I see no reason for it not to be bought. It isn't something I would ever personally take on as I don't have the experience (or confidence!) to deal with it, but I'm sure there are people out there who would.
 
Hi hes not for sale and never really thought about because of his way he is until the prof said about it. And I do friends with horses that imo are worse than him. Nasty in the stable kicking out while their trying to get on which he does neither. But they know their horse and I know mine but they put up with it because they do their job. Its a pain as now been to three good yards with good experience people that after he kicks off point blank refuse to handle him. not that I blame them. I would never sell him but would do loan so I could be there. I have spoken to a friend and she is going to compete then prof is going to take over And im gonna hack and do local show hes getting everything then. And hopefully age and time he will stop having his moments.
 
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