Could it be hind gut acidosis?

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My horse has always had a sensitive gut. He is only 4 and always has droppings on the looser side, they often smell quite strongly and he always passes brown liquid afterwards. He looks bloated and his abdomen is hard to touch. He will often rub his bottom, but he does not have pinworm. I have had him since weaning and he has always been this way. His diet consists of ad lib forage (either grass or hay) and a vit/min supplement with pre and probiotics. He has been regularly worm counted and wormed when required, so no issues there.

I have tried pretty much every supplement going and spoken to vets numerous times. No supplements seem to help and vets are not worried. I requested a blood test a few months back and all was normal, except very slightly elevated muscle enzymes which the vets were unconcerned by. As far as I am aware, the acid in the hind gut can cause tying up type symptoms of which raised enzymes would be one? He has had a couple of very mild episodes of what the vets called spasmodic colic - he was quiet, had a slight temperature and would not eat. All cured with a sachet of bute very quickly and again vets unconcerned.

He is now backed and other than not being overly forward, is going well. He struggles with right lead canter. His canter is very punchy and he doesn't step under as well as he could. His trot is better, but he still holds a lot of tension when he moves.

He is barefoot and is occasionally footy. He will also sometimes object to his back feet being picked up - just waves it about a bit before relaxing.

Now, I have been reading and all this screams hind gut acidosis. But is it because I am looking for answers and this seems to be the new "in" thing that horses are being diagnosed with? I am fed up with my vets being "unconcerned", they seems to think he is normal and I am worrying about nothing. His symptoms aren't severe and he doesn't seem grumpy or overactive to my leg, but all these little things seem to add up. Should I just get the vet out again and see what they think? Or try something like equishure and see if it works, if it does I can go back to my vet with some sort of evidence? My vets are normally very good, but seem to think I am worrying over nothing here.
 
wrong thread sorry however on reading through properly I'd be inclined to take him off all supplements for a month and keep him strictly on hay and grass, no exceptions, keeping a diary of his movements, how he feels. what his belly looks like and then after the month I'd try the equishure and keep the diary going.
 
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Just to say I think my horse may suffer from a hind gut issue too. He has had gastric ulcers which my vet was great with but when I asked them about the hind gut, they didn't seem to know a lot about it and acted as if it was unlikely to be a problem. Maybe its one of those conditions that not a lot is yet known about as they can't scope the hind gut so there is no definitive knowledge.. Sounds like good advice from Jemima.
 
My lad was diagnosed with inflammatory bowel disease, turns out it was due to HGA. He had all the symptoms you have mentioned. He is transformed on Equishure and a couple of tweaks in his diet/management. Biggest positive has been his feet - he is also barefoot - as he is properly rock crunching now. I found the equishure made a difference within a couple of days so I'd definitely recommend trying it.
 
Because you've said you've tried lots of stuff since he was a youngster. The gut changes to a certain extent as they move from milk. You say you've tried everything so there's a chance that if he just eats a completely natural diet he might be fine, you need to leave it for a while to see the changes, if there are any and to establish what he's like just on grass. Then you can truly assess the changes when you try him on equishure.
 
All he has in addition to grass and hay is a powdered vit min supplement in a blob of soaked grass nuts. But he is the same when he doesn't have it. He has never had cereals or commercial feeds, but I have tried supplements to help his gut eg charcoal, protexin etc. ive always given them at least a few months to see if they work as I know things can take a while to settle.
 
What vits/mins have you tried?
Always add brewers yeast (pre) and yea-saac (pro) biotics to the feed. I feed them straight without any other supplements added to them as i have yet to find a suitable prepared vit/min or balancer on the market which will provide correct and adequate doses for what horses need.
I also give Cider Apple Vinegar which is renowned for assisting gut and ulcer issues.

Only feed high fibre, low/no sugar/starch, no cereals so that is a good line you are maintaining.
Grass nuts are fairly high in sugar, i uses them in moderation before an event for energy so this maybe something to reconsider.
My base diet is unmol beet and alfalfa oil with literally a small handful of grass nuts, his additives and then if needed, he gets a measure grass nuts.(handful is tiny but it is given as not to give him a complete new addition when he has his full measure before an event).
 
He Only gets a fist sized blob to mix his equimins with.

He has had protexin. How much yea sacc and Brewers yeast do you feed?
 
Try Dengie Healthy Tummy I had great results with it on a difficult and sensitive 12yr horse. He has now put on weight, droppings normal, has lots of energy, good coat and most importantly is now totally level headed. He competes on 4 scoops DHT (2 am and 2pm) with half cup of stud balancer and ad lib grass or hay. Vet advised feeding it dry, which takes a while, but that way he produces more saliva which is best for the gut. I've now put them all on it, ages from 4 - 23yrs and still working!- as a roughage diet is best and suits all ages. Another plus point is if they have to be off box rest or anything, you can feed the same, no panic about having to drop the cereal, only the balancer, so no disruption to routine. Good luck.
 
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