Could windsucking be a response to pain? (not gastric)

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Will try to be brief.

My mare has gone against the grain and taken up windsucking when turned out to pasture, no hard feed, loads of company, no stress.

She did it a bit when I first got her 5 years ago - she is an ex-racehorse and had been neglected and a bit starved for a year before I had her - but it really was only occasional (she had one tasty bit of wood, and if she wasn't tied up next to that bit of wood she didn't bother). Despite being an anxious beast who struggled to maintain condition, and being fed on high-cereal and high-molasses feed (didn't know any better!) she stopped cribbing only a couple of months after she arrived.

18 months ago she broke her withers and was turned out on field rest for 6 months. It was then that she started cribbing again, and now does it very persistently.

For the last year (since I brought her back into work) she has been on simple systems feeds (ie high fibre, low sugar), has not struggled to maintain condition, is a calm and secure wee beastie, and is turned out 24/7 with suitable company. She came in at night during that very cold winter but always had ad lib hay.
She now cribs persistently on fence posts and gates, and on the metal strip on her stable door. It is not affected by workload, but she definitely does it more immediately after her handful of hard feed.

So, could the cribbing have been a response to pain? and either now it has become a habit, or she is still in pain. (she is now only in very light work as she never really came right after the withers thing).

What do you think?
I think the done thing now is to offer you a g&t and a roast dinner for trudging all the way through that :D
 
Will try to be brief.

My mare has gone against the grain and taken up windsucking when turned out to pasture, no hard feed, loads of company, no stress.

She did it a bit when I first got her 5 years ago - she is an ex-racehorse and had been neglected and a bit starved for a year before I had her - but it really was only occasional (she had one tasty bit of wood, and if she wasn't tied up next to that bit of wood she didn't bother). Despite being an anxious beast who struggled to maintain condition, and being fed on high-cereal and high-molasses feed (didn't know any better!) she stopped cribbing only a couple of months after she arrived.

18 months ago she broke her withers and was turned out on field rest for 6 months. It was then that she started cribbing again, and now does it very persistently.

For the last year (since I brought her back into work) she has been on simple systems feeds (ie high fibre, low sugar), has not struggled to maintain condition, is a calm and secure wee beastie, and is turned out 24/7 with suitable company. She came in at night during that very cold winter but always had ad lib hay.
She now cribs persistently on fence posts and gates, and on the metal strip on her stable door. It is not affected by workload, but she definitely does it more immediately after her handful of hard feed.

So, could the cribbing have been a response to pain? and either now it has become a habit, or she is still in pain. (she is now only in very light work as she never really came right after the withers thing).

What do you think?
I think the done thing now is to offer you a g&t and a roast dinner for trudging all the way through that :D

I don't think she's going against the grain at all - on the contrary - she's been through the mill abit!
Background history - exracer tb - highly likely that she's had gastric ulcers due to her lifestyle - then being taken from a regimental/formal management process she's been turned out (some horses really find this transition difficult and stressful) and then breaking her withers, causing a major amount of pain and stress, not to mention the amount of drugs she will have taken (bute at a guess?) Bute is the worst thing you can give to a horse with gastric irritation as it irritates the lining of the stomach further - so... IMO I'm not surprised that she's wind sucking :( What you've got to determine is why she's stressing and wind sucking at the moment - have you moved yards/stable mates changed? Routine changed? Something has happened to trigger her off again.
Kate x
 
I don't think she's going against the grain at all - on the contrary - she's been through the mill abit!
Background history - exracer tb - highly likely that she's had gastric ulcers due to her lifestyle - then being taken from a regimental/formal management process she's been turned out (some horses really find this transition difficult and stressful) and then breaking her withers, causing a major amount of pain and stress, not to mention the amount of drugs she will have taken (bute at a guess?) Bute is the worst thing you can give to a horse with gastric irritation as it irritates the lining of the stomach further - so... IMO I'm not surprised that she's wind sucking :( What you've got to determine is why she's stressing and wind sucking at the moment - have you moved yards/stable mates changed? Routine changed? Something has happened to trigger her off again.
Kate x

Well when you put it like that it doesn't sound unlikely at all.
I agree it is highly likely that she developed gastric ulcers when she was racing, and then when she was starved (!) these would have got much worse. So not surprising she cribbed when I first had her.
BUT - she stopped! For 3 years!
And during this time she didn't have a regimented routine- she has been mostly turned out and living on a small yard. She is happiest turned out and stresses more when stabled. She must have been a rubbish racehorse (actually she was).
Since she broke her withers she hasn't moved stables, and is as settled as she has ever been since I've known her. Please bear in mind I know her very, very well and when she is stressed she makes it very clear!
She was on bute for about a week following the injury. She was very very stiff for a few days and unable to lower her head. I couldn't really have her on box rest on her own (too stressful for her - thought it was counterproductive) so she was in a small pen in the field where she could see her friends. After about a week she jumped out of the pen -
I decided at that point that she ought to manage her own pain!
She has not been on bute since, or any other drugs for that matter for exactly the reason you gave.
She is on feed recommended for horses prone to gastric problems.
There haven't been any changes to her life - only breaking her withers - which is why I'm wondering if that, and any residual pain, could be the cause of the windsucking habit.
I have heard that windsucking/cribbing can be a response to gastric pain, but never a response to any other kind of pain - just kind of wondered if it was possible.
 
Should definetly think it is due to pain.We had a lovely little tb who we raced who is a habitual cribber.He was always managed carefully with regard to diet and had turnout even when racing.To cut a long story short we gave up trying to jump him as although he never stopped he was not fluent and so point to pointing and then hurdling were useless.He had extensive x-rays and turned out to have 7 kissing spines with cysts as well and had been ridden from 2- 6 like this before we had him..No wonder he cribbed.He actually went on to win 3 races on the flat and enjoys his retirement with us.
Any very painful injury in my experience can initiate cribbing - it just depends on the horse.Why not try an experiment? Do 2 weeks on pain relief to see if its the withers and then 2 weeks on ulcer management and see if either help? Just a thought...
 
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