Could you condition score this horse for me please? The RSPCA...

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undertheweather said:
The lady from TS is a friend of a friend on a local facebook group we were discussing this on. The RSPCA did not call her.
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A friend of a friend on fb said so...

Even if they didn't call, what on earth difference does it make, the horse was already under a vet when they made contact?!
 
Moomin1 said:
A friend of a friend on fb said so...

Even if they didn't call, what on earth difference does it make, the horse was already under a vet when they made contact?!
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Oh for ***sake. Any horse can be said to be under vets care. :rolleyes:

If the owner uses rugs that are so bad that they need baling twine to fasten them and probably long lost their waterproofing, I hardly think they are going to voluntarily fork out for a vet.
 
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Wagtail said:
Oh for ***sake. Any horse can be said to be under vets care. :rolleyes:
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Errm but TS and WHW are now satisfied that it is too?!

Then again, suppose all three could have been hoodwinked if none of them bothered to pick up the phone to check with the vet in question.
 
Wagtail, it is pointless trying to get the point across :( Those of us who view the RSPCA's interactions with people and with large animals as poor, will continue to think so, those who believe that the RSPCA are the salvation of all animals and the champions of Animal Rights (rather than welfare) will continue to try and convince everyone of how good they are, sadly.
 
Please can someone explain to me how and why trading standards got involved? I don't understand where TS come in when a horse is reported for neglect? :confused:
 
YorksG said:
Wagtail, it is pointless trying to get the point across :( Those of us who view the RSPCA's interactions with people and with large animals as poor, will continue to think so, those who believe that the RSPCA are the salvation of all animals and the champions of Animal Rights (rather than welfare) will continue to try and convince everyone of how good they are, sadly.
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Quite;)
 
amandap said:
Please can someone explain to me how and why trading standards got involved? I don't understand where TS come in when a horse is reported for neglect? :confused:
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Trading standards sometimes do deal with horse complaints, though usually it's farm animals. It's their Animal Health dept who can get involved, and they have full powers whereas RSPCA and WHW have none. So somebody has obviously reported to all three.

The main thing is, the horse was already under care by the time they made enquiries, so a decent outcome.
 
Moomin1 said:
A friend of a friend on fb said so...

Even if they didn't call, what on earth difference does it make, the horse was already under a vet when they made contact?!
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Shall I explain this better as either you're feeling a bit dim tonight or you are clouded by your own very strong opinion.

There was a discussion under this same picture on my local horsey facebook group. A member of the group has a friend who works for Trading Standards in the welfare dept. She alerted her friend to the picture and what had been said by the RSPCA, and TS lady offered to help with the situation.

I actually do wonder what your own horses are like, Moomin1, and am struggling to see the point you are trying to make?

The point I am now making is this: I could have a horse in this condition, have my vet tell me that just sometimes horses look like that and it would be said that my horse is under a vet. This is NOT the be all and end all.

The point I am making on this thread and I think I have made quite successfully due to how much I have got your back up by what has been said, is that the RSPCA made a judgement that I and many others did not agree with, and hence further organisations were called in, and something was done. If the WHW had not been called then there would be no welfare notice against the owner, she would not have been contacted.

It is here that I end my posting on this thread because I have nothing more to add.
 
Moomin1 said:
Trading standards sometimes do deal with horse complaints, though usually it's farm animals. It's their Animal Health dept who can get involved, and they have full powers whereas RSPCA and WHW have none. So somebody has obviously reported to all three.
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Thanks for that. I could see the relevance on a commercial yard but struggled to see their role in a private situation. :)
 
undertheweather said:
Shall I explain this better as either you're feeling a bit dim tonight or you are clouded by your own very strong opinion.

There was a discussion under this same picture on my local horsey facebook group. A member of the group has a friend who works for Trading Standards in the welfare dept. She alerted her friend to the picture and what had been said by the RSPCA, and TS lady offered to help with the situation.

I actually do wonder what your own horses are like, Moomin1, and am struggling to see the point you are trying to make?

The point I am now making is this: I could have a horse in this condition, have my vet tell me that just sometimes horses look like that and it would be said that my horse is under a vet. This is NOT the be all and end all.

The point I am making on this thread and I think I have made quite successfully due to how much I have got your back up by what has been said, is that the RSPCA made a judgement that I and many others did not agree with, and hence further organisations were called in, and something was done. If the WHW had not been called then there would be no welfare notice against the owner, she would not have been contacted.

It is here that I end my posting on this thread because I have nothing more to add.
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Beautifully put, though sadly probably wasted..........:rolleyes:
 
Well said Undertheweather! I am incredulous that anyone can ever think there is an acceptable reason why a horse of any age should look like this one does. Keep fighting, you are doing a great job :)
 
OP check your timeline. It doesn't add up and being rude to Moomin to divert attention away from your rather bias account doesn't fool everyone.

Its sad you want to point score over the fate of a horse.
 
horserider said:
TS Animal welfare,http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/advice/advice-business-ahw.cfm



I wouldn't say I think the RSPCA are the salvation of all animals, I just like to play fair and find the hysteria about the RSPCA as the latest 'in' topic a little bit predictable.
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I viewed no hysteria, from either 'side' tbh, but do feel it would be more honest for some people to say, 'that inspector got it wrong, people sometimes do' Than to keep on twisting information to try and say that the RSPCA must be right. Like any other organisation they are not infalible. There is a history on this forum of a variety of legal powers being claimed for the RSPCA, which they do not have, with people vociferously saying they have a right of entry etc. This does now seem to have stopped, but I have yet to read the correction being accepted on those threads, or it being stated that the poster previously got that wrong, it just seems a little dishonest to me. If the training for RSPCA staff cannot be brought up to a reasonable standard for horse care etc. then surely they could organise some sort of out-sourcing to equine welfare charities.
 
horserider said:
OP check your timeline. It doesn't add up and being rude to Moomin to divert attention away from your rather bias account doesn't fool everyone.

Its sad you want to point score over the fate of a horse.
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Well it was rather rude wasn't it? ;):D

Don't worry yourself OP, my horse is of perfect health, although slightly neglected this evening in that she only got three apples in her decahedron ball instead of a bag of carrots! :eek:
 
Moomin1 said:
Of course... :rolleyes:

If you know this 'fact' then how come you didn't know any of the other 'facts' about this situation?
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You really do talk utter ****

Please stop in your blinkered defence of the RSPCA who, I remind you, deemed the horse fit. I simply stated the FACT that it was not they who called WHW and TS! This did not preclude me not knowing about the vet, which, btw did not come from RSPCA but from TS.

You really are a piece of work and are not a great advert for the RSPCA either.
 
YorksG said:
I viewed no hysteria, from either 'side' tbh, but do feel it would be more honest for some people to say, 'that inspector got it wrong, people sometimes do' Than to keep on twisting information to try and say that the RSPCA must be right. Like any other organisation they are not infalible. There is a history on this forum of a variety of legal powers being claimed for the RSPCA, which they do not have, with people vociferously saying they have a right of entry etc. This does now seem to have stopped, but I have yet to read the correction being accepted on those threads, or it being stated that the poster previously got that wrong, it just seems a little dishonest to me. If the training for RSPCA staff cannot be brought up to a reasonable standard for horse care etc. then surely they could organise some sort of out-sourcing to equine welfare charities.
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Perhaps YorksG, approach those people on those historical claims on this forum, and ask for a corrective thread to be put on by them?

Maybe they are not even on this forum anymore, but you could at least try to get whoever they may be to clarify.

I haven't seen anybody who purports to be from the RSPCA who has claimed that the RSPCA have legal powers, but then again I haven't been on the forum for a great deal of time so couldn't say.

I know a lot of the general public do believe that to be true though.
 
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