Counter rotated pedal bones.....

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This is what Alee has been dianose with. This is exactly what was written in the vets report..........
'flat / counter rotated pedal bones evident in both hind feet with v. concave solar surface to pedal bone and some roughening of later margin'.

She has been referred to a remedial farrier and the vet had advised for her to have PG shoes which as far as I can find out are an aluminium shoe with like a star shape on the bottom
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Can anyone give me any more advise on this and if they have good or bad information about their own horses I would love to know the out come.
At the moment they have advised 4 weeks field rest but can't guarantee she will come sound in that time. Not sure what time frame we are looking at really, its all so frustrating.
 
Never heard of PG shoes, but know several horses including mine with this issue.

Mine - her x-rays showed "flat" rather than negative pedal bones, so not major, just vet wanted it dealt with due to affect on separate tendon issue she has for which she is currently off work (not sure which came first the tendon/ligament issues or the foot issues or most likely they stem from an injury on her hock as a youngster which we are pretty sure is causing DJD issues now and affecting balance on the whole of that leg and thus her feet and tendons). I have been working with my barefoot trimmer to remedy this without shoes. She's off to vets in 3 weeks and I have requested more x-rays to see what improvements have been made if any (will post when I know results). If no improvements then I will consider shoeing her, but I hate wedges and think they do more long term harm than good (and have had that from both a vet and a remedial farrier, as well as my barefoot trimmer), but am hoping things have improved as her foot shape is the best it ever has been in and out of shoes and she is very happy on them at the moment.

Friend 1 - her horse has quite bad negative plane on the pedal bones of all feet, particularly back and he is being shod by remedial NB farrier. He had wedges on the hinds for one or two cycles of shoeing and now is back in normal NB shoes and appears much happier on his feet. No follow up x-rays are planned, so just on the clinical signs he appears improved.

Friend 2 - her spanish horse had dreadful upright contracted feet in shoes, has had all sorts of sacro illiac and suspensory problems (with suspensory op) all now thought to probably have stemmed from his poor foot balance. X-rays when just out of shoes showed severe negative plane on the pedal bones on all four feet! (that was after having remedial shoeing and wedges for a time on all four feet - so they didn't help) He has now been barefoot through a KC trained HPT trimmer for about a year and on some interim x-rays the negative plane was much improved on all four feet - still not how it should be, but improved. Since then he has not had follow up x-rays, but is stonking sound on his feet, and no apparent reoccurence of other issues either. Probably won't have more x-rays as is in the process of being sold due to owner giving up horses.

Not sure if that helps, other than to say you aren't alone and good luck.
 
my friend had this problem in all 4 of her horse's feet. Her farrier told her that he thought the horse had navicular syndrome and my friend was not impressed seeing as the horse was only 4yrs old and had poor foot balance when she bought him. the vet saw him and the horse had xrays regularly and remedial work done on his feet. i think it took a good 6 months to a year to correct. he had egg bar shoes all round with heels built up, up to 1 inch + depending on the xray.the middle of the shoe was also filled in with gel. the horse now has normal shoes behind with natural balance ones in front and is fine now. At the time my friend only rode in the arena as the plastic heels could easily fall off/ wear down. it did the trick though. Good luck.
 
Do you know ho long it took for the horse to come sound again?
I have been told to give my mare 4 weeks of field rest but she won't be able to have the remedial showing for at least another 2 weeks. Seems very quick to expect her to be sound so quickly!!!
 
I cant help I am afraid, but I can offer my best wishes and say that she is very lucky to have you look after her.

My horse had remedial shoeing yesterday for side bone lameness, I was told it would take 2/3 shoeings or more before we know the outcome. I am not a vet, but would have thought your mare would need a similar amount of time.

My horse also had remedial farriery last year for a split DDFT, He had raised bar shoes for 3 months. I have every faith in remedial farriery.

I hope the treatment is successful for both of our horses.

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I don't have experience of this particular problem, however my last two horses have had serious long-term foot problems. I'm sure its not always the case, but IME, remedial shoeing treats the symptoms, not the cause. If your horse responds well to it, great, its probably the way forward especially if there's something to see and treat on x-rays, although it could be helping to hide another problem. Has your horse had MRI? I know its expensive but just because you have found one thing wrong doesn't mean thats the whole problem. Have they given you an explanation why your mare's pedal bones have rotated? I'd give the shoeing a try but if you're not happy your horse is comfortable and improving don't just trust your vets and farriers to pick up on it, insist on finding out why your horse isn't coming right.
 

which farrier are youusing for the remedial stuff (pm if you would rather)? didn't have this problem but did have some foot problems and was refered to remedial farrier and havent looked bk he was fab and did really gd job so fingers crossed andgd luck.
 
Hi Halfpass - I've seen several horses with flat / negative soleplanes successfully treated with the use of an early breakover shoe (such at Natural Balance) combined with a graduated wedge pad to restore the skeletal alignment and support the frog until such time as the foot is able to function correctly without. To my knowledge PG shoes are a flat shoe with impression material underneath so on their own they won't correct the angle of the pedal bone.
 
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