Crawley and Horsham Hunt. More monitors needed perhaps?

guido16 said:
Would it be seen as bad sport if we hunted monitors?
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Dont think they'd provide much of a chase. Cant run very far or very fast.
That said I would prefer they were hunted instead of foxes which no one does obviously.

A quick question. Why do those that are pro hunting always seem to assume that someone who is anti must be a raving loony friutloop nutjob with no idea about hunting and who has a social axe to grind?
 
PaddyMonty said:
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A quick question. Why do those that are pro hunting always seem to assume that someone who is anti must be a raving loony friutloop nutjob with no idea about hunting and who has a social axe to grind?
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That's easily answered, and it's because those who are opposed to the way that we would live our lives, argue from the viewpoint of the "raving loony fuitloop nutjob", or to be a trifle more courteous, those who quote from what they've read or been told, teachings from the equally misinformed, and rarely consider the viewpoint of the person who speaks with experience.

"It's wrong, to hunt with a pack of dogs", and just as an example, those who support this argument, when asked for an alternative control method, quote trapping, snaring and shooting. Having been responsible for all three of these alternatives, the first is generally ineffective (with the possible exception of cubs), the second is barbaric in the extreme, and the third can all so often lead to wounding, and a lingering death.

Following the hunting ban, whereas previously coverts were sanctuary of the fox, today the hand of everyone is turned against him. Those who promoted the ban on hunting have rather strangely shot themselves and their cause, in the foot, and as The Fox, they and we are now lingering.

As a parallel and similar case, we could consider that the Animal Rights lot, or what ever they want to call themselves, have campaigned by the very same disjointed route and prevented the control of badgers. Badgers carry Bovine TB, and they also suffer from it. Cattle, Farmers and the Economy (that's all of us, incidentally) all suffer from it. The vital cull measures are again put on hold, because government has to be seen to cuddle a bunny, and it's wrong. Yet again, the animal rights campaigners are misinformed, and abusing the rather curious power which they seem to hold over our society.

Those who invest their trust in many of these Welfare Groups, are making a catastrophic mistake.

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
That's easily answered, and it's because those who are opposed to the way that we would live our lives, argue from the viewpoint of the "raving loony fuitloop nutjob", or to be a trifle more courteous, those who quote from what they've read or been told, teachings from the equally misinformed, and rarely consider the viewpoint of the person who speaks with experience.
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You just proved my case ;)
I'm against hunting but I certainly dont argue from a standpoint based on hearsay.
I grew up hunting with the Eridge, both mounted and with the terrier men.
I was blooded at 7 years old and didn't wash it off etc.
Also actively shot.
Certainly dont fit with your description :confused:

Now I am anti on the simple grounds that I dont believe pleasure should not be taken at the death of an animal.
Sure its argued that people enjoy the chase, not the kill. That is not what I experienced.
I also get annoyed with the amount of twaddle spouted by both sides.

Examples from the pros....
Foxes kill for fun citing what a fox will do when it encounters penned chickens
Hunting with hounds is the best method for controlling foxes yet will also state the number killed does not adversly impact the survival of the species

Example from the antis....
Foxes suffer greatly when caught by hounds
Hunting is only for the rich

Perhaps if both sides stopped bickering, stuck to hard facts and actually listened to the other side progress would be made.

Sadly I doubt that will ever happen.
 
amymay said:
To be honest, I couldn't actually give a flying fig.

I'd like my tax payers money to go on something that matters. Like, health, education, police, community, economy.......
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Couldnt agree more......and in fact I would imagine that to bring back traditional hunting would give the countryside economy one hell of a boost, not to mention provide much needed employment!

Alec if you have a link or contact to donate, perhaps you could pm it to me?
 
Uh oh - i've been a member of this forum for just over a month now & every thread i read ends up the same.

A lot of posts in this thread are insulting to people that are animal lovers & i personally don't agree with hunting or any suffering inflicted on animals by PEOPLE in control of ferrets, dogs or guns. I AM NOT some kind of LOONY i have an opinion. Oh & i also call a whip a Crop as when i grew up whips are much longer with a whispy end .... we had riding crops & lunging whips - so what !!!

The people found guilty were found so by a Court of Law which means to most that THEY ARE GUILTY of committing a crime, so should be dealt with by the Courts.
 
Don't call me silly or anything else thankyou

The fact that if anyone doesn't agree with hunting must be with the Anti looneys just about sums it up for me
 
amandat said:
Don't call me silly or anything else thankyou

The fact that if anyone doesn't agree with hunting must be with the Anti looneys just about sums it up for me
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When you respond in the manner in which you did, of course I'm going to call you silly - because the response was silly. I could have put immature, childish........ But went for the simpler 'silly'.

As for people being against hunting being 'looney's' - I don't agree. However, you must be able to make a proper unsentimental argument about these things, and be able to debate the topic in an informed manner.

Now please - point me to the posts that denigrate animal lovers.
 
No one insults animal lovers because the animal rights fanatics are far from lovers of animals.

They campaign against live exports and veal, but I bet they've never worked on a dairy farm shooting 10 bull calves a DAY because there's no market for them.
They campaign against animal testing, but I bet they've never seen a FMD funeral pyre first hand, not seen an entire herd lost to TB, or worse, BSE...
They campaign against culls, oblivious to the fact native wildlife is quite often at more of a risk than the animal intended for culling (squirrels, magpies, mink, badger, foxes...)
They campaigned against hunting despite the fact the hunts were just going to kill foxes anyway to make up scents.

These are the people who threatened to kill my Aunt and Uncle for working to try and SAVE animals from disease. These are the people who murder foxes in grim ways to try and blame the hunts. These people also call packs of hounds over railway lines and busy roads to murder them.

I think we can agree, these people do not love animals. However they can use their powers of manipulation to turn even the most normal animal lover into an ardent supporter who doesn't even know what they're cheering for.
 
PaddyMonty said:
Hunting is only for the rich
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This IMO, is the reason most antis are anti, but I am living proof that the above statement is simply not ture!

Personally, I couldn't care less if a fox is killed by hounds or not, far worse things happen to animals every single day all over the world, but you don't see these 'montiors' traveling abroad to help them, just like you don't see them bothering the traveling community for hare coursing and all the other vile things they do to their animals (and if they did the police certainly wouldn't be in any rush to help them out!)
 
marmalade76 said:
This IMO, is the reason most antis are anti, but I am living proof that the above statement is simply not ture!
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Is ture the posh way of saying true? :p
Sorry, couldn't resist.:D

PS to all who read the quote from me above please note I put this as twaddle spouted by anti's. Just thought I would put it in context as know what HHO can be like. :eek:
 
Serenity087 said:
No one insults animal lovers because the animal rights fanatics are far from lovers of animals.

They campaign against live exports and veal, but I bet they've never worked on a dairy farm shooting 10 bull calves a DAY because there's no market for them.
They campaign against animal testing, but I bet they've never seen a FMD funeral pyre first hand, not seen an entire herd lost to TB, or worse, BSE...
They campaign against culls, oblivious to the fact native wildlife is quite often at more of a risk than the animal intended for culling (squirrels, magpies, mink, badger, foxes...)
They campaigned against hunting despite the fact the hunts were just going to kill foxes anyway to make up scents.

These are the people who threatened to kill my Aunt and Uncle for working to try and SAVE animals from disease. These are the people who murder foxes in grim ways to try and blame the hunts. These people also call packs of hounds over railway lines and busy roads to murder them.

I think we can agree, these people do not love animals. However they can use their powers of manipulation to turn even the most normal animal lover into an ardent supporter who doesn't even know what they're cheering for.
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An excellent post, and the most valid point being that for those who direct the activists, their interests seem to lay along way away from animal welfare.

Alec.
 
PaddyMonty said:
Is ture the posh way of saying true? :p
Sorry, couldn't resist.:D

PS to all who read the quote from me above please note I put this as twaddle spouted by anti's. Just thought I would put it in context as know what HHO can be like. :eek:
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Hah ha, fingers going too fast and failed to proof read (naughty me! :o) Had I been posh I probably would have done a better job.
 
Serenity087 said:
I didn't realise hunting with a duster was illegal, but it's right got up Dawn's nose that they did that!

Is there a C&H hunt fund yet, Alec? I've seen the monitors dirty work round here, I believe they threw a fox to the hounds then got the huntsman arrested for hunting it with one local pack... So I very much doubt with the sort of witches who "monitor" the C&H that they're guilty of anything!
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I don't believe those now with criminal records find the duster stupidity and arrogance so funny.
 
Alec Swan said:
I'd take it from that comment, that you are suggesting that the local poachers or the lads from the pub, have somehow committed a lesser crime than "Three senior hunt staff". You've offered a distinction between the two social classes (sic), and it's becoming ever more obvious that you have a rather tilted view of justice.

It may well be that I'm wrong, in that I've misunderstood your words, and have taken you to mean what you say.

Alec.
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You know full well you are wrong yet choose to post regardless. How sad. Up to now those involved in hunting have revelled in blaming the above claiming the packs are innocent. It is proven to be untrue now and your attempt to make my comments appear in anyway class based rather pathetic tbh.
 
"It's a riding whip. A crop is something you find in a field."

It is reported as and therefore a riding 'crop'. What on earth are you playing at?
 
jrp204 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-17928339
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...the-hare-coursing-ban-is-flouted-6281580.html
http://www.garstangcourier.co.uk/news/local/farmers-foil-hare-coursers-1-4130254
These are just a few but i guess this is seen as ok since they are seen as 'working class'?
Perhaps the 'monitors' could spend a bit of time filming these groups, although i somewhat doubt they will be tolerated too well.
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Perhaps you could let the monitors know when and where these types illegally hunting will be and they can go after them?
 
amymay said:
When you respond in the manner in which you did, of course I'm going to call you silly - because the response was silly. I could have put immature, childish........ But went for the simpler 'silly'.

As for people being against hunting being 'looney's' - I don't agree. However, you must be able to make a proper unsentimental argument about these things, and be able to debate the topic in an informed manner.

Now please - point me to the posts that denigrate animal lovers.
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Debate the topic in an informed manner? Like you did wrongly picking me up about a 'crop'. :rolleyes:
 
DawnRay said:
Perhaps you could let the monitors know when and where these types illegally hunting will be and they can go after them?
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No doubt if I lived in these areas I would since this activity doesn't happen by accident but I would have thought the antis with their network would have a fair idea where it goes on but I suppose it is easier to pick on kids on ponies.
 
amymay said:
When you respond in the manner in which you did, of course I'm going to call you silly - because the response was silly. I could have put immature, childish........ But went for the simpler 'silly'.

As for people being against hunting being 'looney's' - I don't agree. However, you must be able to make a proper unsentimental argument about these things, and be able to debate the topic in an informed manner.

Now please - point me to the posts that denigrate animal lovers.
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So i'm verging on immature & childish but put simply by you just silly, lovely thanks :D

Alec Swan said:
That's easily answered, and it's because those who are opposed to the way that we would live our lives, argue from the viewpoint of the "raving loony fuitloop nutjob", or to be a trifle more courteous, those who quote from what they've read or been told, teachings from the equally misinformed, and rarely consider the viewpoint of the person who speaks with experience.

So if someone doesn't agree with hunting foxes with a pack of dogs they must've read or been told to have their opinion by some loony & not just have the right to say they think it's a cruel attack on a fox that people enjoy as sport ??? I know plenty of people that are very pro hunting & they know my opinion, we agree to disagree without calling each other names !!!!
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