Crawley and Horsham Hunt. More monitors needed perhaps?

guido16 said:
I shot a fox last night. Anyone want to comment?
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Yes. I bloody well hope you shot it dead and checked it was dead. It makes me cry out hacking when I see a fox that has been shot badly and has clearly had a long a lingering death :( Yes they are a bloody PITA but no animal (or person for that matter) deserves a painful and lingering death, if it can be avoided.

And I hope you have relevant licenses ;)
 
I knew someone would take the bait.
Just for the record, I am a great shot. It was stone dead, as was the buck I shot later. And as for relevant licences.

Dont insult me. Of course I have them. I am a law abiding citizen who is licensed to use my shotguns and rifles. The latter of which I used to take pleasure shooting these vermin.
 
guido16 said:
I knew someone would take the bait.
Just for the record, I am a great shot. It was stone dead, as was the buck I shot later. And as for relevant licences.

Dont insult me. Of course I have them. I am a law abiding citizen who is licensed to use my shotguns and rifles. The latter of which I used to take pleasure shooting these vermin.
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Chill out man. My post was a little tongue in cheek, but the first part is true, and I do come across poorly shot foxes in my area. People shooting badly really grates me. I follow the hunt on horseback, I even go hunting in the USA where they don't have the ridiculous ban. In fact, I much prefer it out there.

I am totally against the hunting ban and the against the cost of enforcement. However i'm also against badger culling, but that is a whole other kettle of fish based on research on vaccination, on which papers were written with government funding but were prevented from being published. But there is a fat fox that teases my terriers every night from my paddocks when they are inside the house, if you would like to come shoot him, I would be thankful!
 
jrp204 said:
No doubt if I lived in these areas I would since this activity doesn't happen by accident but I would have thought the antis with their network would have a fair idea where it goes on but I suppose it is easier to pick on kids on ponies.
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For heavens sake this is not about anti's it is about those that monitor hunts with a view to obtaining video evidence to put before the courts.
 
Undertheweather, you and I are on the same page. Totally agree ref your post.

Dawnthingy . . You seem to of arrived late to the party. Not to worry. Throw a six and john in.
 
Do you have an opinion on the use of more monitors to deal with such lawlessness?
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The Police have neither the time nor the inclination to enforce every law being potentially broken. To do so would require 50% of the population to be in the Police, in order to monitor the other 50% at all times. In fact, it would probably have to be 80% in the Police to allow the for time off!

Private individuals should not be enforcing the law. Hunt monitors are in the same category as busybodies who set up their own speed traps. I also object to the idea of these monitors following a person or group around on the off chance that they might break the law. If the Police or any other state body did that to private individuals, there would be an outcry.
 
What is most ridiculous about this case is the fact that its all, just like the ban, based on the misconception all pros are upper class & loaded. I'm pretty confident I could neglect, beat & eventually kill all my own pets without any prosecution. But if I wore a red coat, rode my horse & my dog killed something, I'm certain I'd be up on a charge pronto. (despite the fact I'm certainly not either upperclass or rich!)
 
littlelegs said:
What is most ridiculous about this case is the fact that its all, just like the ban, based on the misconception all pros are upper class & loaded. I'm pretty confident I could neglect, beat & eventually kill all my own pets without any prosecution. But if I wore a red coat, rode my horse & my dog killed something, I'm certain I'd be up on a charge pronto. (despite the fact I'm certainly not either upperclass or rich!)
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Mmm I'm pretty sure you couldn't neglect, beat and kill your pets without prosecution!!
 
littlelegs said:
What is most ridiculous about this case is the fact that its all, just like the ban, based on the misconception all pros are upper class & loaded. I'm pretty confident I could neglect, beat & eventually kill all my own pets without any prosecution. But if I wore a red coat, rode my horse & my dog killed something, I'm certain I'd be up on a charge pronto. (despite the fact I'm certainly not either upperclass or rich!)
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Not sure about neglect etc but if you wear a red coat and are on a horse it is apparently ok for somebody to yank a 16 year old off a horse and shout a abuse at her, crazy world we live in.
 
DawnRay said:
Debate the topic in an informed manner? Like you did wrongly picking me up about a 'crop'. :rolleyes:
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But I wasn't wrong, and am still not. I am helping inform you about the subject. Remember, it's possible for the press to get their terminology wrong too - so don't be too quick to believe everything you read ;)
 
Alec Swan said:
"It's wrong, to hunt with a pack of dogs", and just as an example, those who support this argument, when asked for an alternative control method, quote trapping, snaring and shooting. Having been responsible for all three of these alternatives, the first is generally ineffective (with the possible exception of cubs), the second is barbaric in the extreme, and the third can all so often lead to wounding, and a lingering death.

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Trust me finding not one but three foxes limping through my fields with gangreen and then slowly dying in my stables is so much more humane than an instant death with dogs, Obviously!!!

Luckily the last one we had a gun on the farm and were able to end its misery, they had all been like this a while, skin and bone. Poor foxes. This was over the course of a month, someone in the area needs to learn to shoot properly or not shoot at all.
 
With my comment re neglect etc, I'm not saying that's legal, but even forgetting the big cases that make the headlines, I'm sure we all know of smaller cases near by when nobodys been in a rush to investigate. I was using it to illustrate the fact its got nothing to do with any concern for animals or foxes. I could just have easily said if I decided to start shooting foxes, despite being a crap shot & causing them long drawn out deaths nobody would be in a rush to charge me.
 
marmalade76 said:
If she was a memeber of a certain community she sure could ;)
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Not entirely the case - a member of a certain community has just been successfully prosecuted for leaving side reins on a youngster too long causing small superficial wounds to the corners of the mouth, and also kicking the horse in the side twice. Horse was fine. Certain member of said community was not!
 
amymay said:
But I wasn't wrong, and am still not. I am helping inform you about the subject. Remember, it's possible for the press to get their terminology wrong too - so don't be too quick to believe everything you read ;)
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A riding crop is an old term for a riding whip.
 
amymay said:
But I wasn't wrong, and am still not. I am helping inform you about the subject. Remember, it's possible for the press to get their terminology wrong too - so don't be too quick to believe everything you read ;)
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But I don't think whipmakers get their terminology wrong. Whips, canes and crops have different characteristics and uses.
I was bought my first hunting crop in 1967, it is as far as I'm aware, still a crop today.
 
Come on guys - you are all right!!



A crop, sometimes called a riding crop or hunting crop, is a short type of whip without a lash, used in horse riding, part of the family of tools known as horse whips.

A crop is a non-animal species or variety that is grown to be harvested as food, livestock fodder, fuel or for any other economic purpose. Major world crops include sugarcane, pumpkin, maize (corn), wheat, rice, cassava, soybeans, hay, potatoes and cotton.[1] While the term "crop" most commonly refers to plants, it can also include species from other biological kingdoms. For example, mushrooms like shiitake, which are in the fungi kingdom, can be referred to as crops. In addition, certain species of algae are also cultivated, although it is also harvested from the wild. In contrast, animal species that are raised by humans are called livestock, except those that are kept as pets. Microbial species, such as bacteria or viruses, are referred to as cultures. Microbes are not typically grown for food, but are rather used to alter food. For example, bacteria are used to ferment milk to produce yogurt.
 
No valuable, sensible, silly, immature, mature or structured comment to give but thought I might just add that it really is a very amusing thread to read as there is absolutely no logic to the thread at all despite what anyone says :D:D

Oh and I am of the opinion a whip is a horse whip, a crop is a plant :p:p:p:p
 
amymay said:
But I wasn't wrong, and am still not. I am helping inform you about the subject. Remember, it's possible for the press to get their terminology wrong too - so don't be too quick to believe everything you read ;)
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I am sorry but it was you that suggested I was wrong by calling the "crop", the huntsman had in his handing waving his little duster about a "CROP"! I do not believe everything I read thank you however you obviously post to score points when indeed you are mistaken. How foolish :cool:
 
guido16 said:
Come on guys - you are all right!!



A crop, sometimes called a riding crop or hunting crop, is a short type of whip without a lash, used in horse riding, part of the family of tools known as horse whips.

A crop is a non-animal species or variety that is grown to be harvested as food, livestock fodder, fuel or for any other economic purpose. Major world crops include sugarcane, pumpkin, maize (corn), wheat, rice, cassava, soybeans, hay, potatoes and cotton.[1] While the term "crop" most commonly refers to plants, it can also include species from other biological kingdoms. For example, mushrooms like shiitake, which are in the fungi kingdom, can be referred to as crops. In addition, certain species of algae are also cultivated, although it is also harvested from the wild. In contrast, animal species that are raised by humans are called livestock, except those that are kept as pets. Microbial species, such as bacteria or viruses, are referred to as cultures. Microbes are not typically grown for food, but are rather used to alter food. For example, bacteria are used to ferment milk to produce yogurt.
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I do believe if the above is accepted as true then one amymay was actually wrong to correct me :)
 
Moomin1 said:
Not entirely the case - a member of a certain community has just been successfully prosecuted for leaving side reins on a youngster too long causing small superficial wounds to the corners of the mouth, and also kicking the horse in the side twice. Horse was fine. Certain member of said community was not!
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I am quite surprised to read that, especially as the crimes listed are most likely not the worst things they do to animals.
 
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