crazy crazy driver!! What will the police do??

Tired said:
Well you're entitled to your opinion, but to me, the time is a key factor here, as it clearly demonstrates the OP was lying.

If the driver was wrong, fair enough, if he does appeal and loses, fair enough, but i cannot abide liars, it's despicable. If you read the drivers account, it is quite different. Also, much more plausible.
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I do hear what your saying, but the numbers to me are irrelevant and cant be verified by anyone. The op was scared, in that frame of mind, 60 mph with a roaring engine can seem much faster, she felt the car was to fast, asked for it to slow down, which she did, for everyones safety, then was verbally abused by the driver, had someone intentionally try to spook the horses in a most awful way,by spinning their wheels. i am of the impression the driver is very young, as it sounds like theyve no idea of how dangerous their behaviour was to the riders, horses and other road users, who could have become innocent victims had the horses in question bolted, the fact that they didnt, is testament to the op and her hacking party
 
marydoll said:
I do hear what your saying, but the numbers to me are irrelevant and cant be verified by anyone. The op was scared, in that frame of mind, 60 mph with a roaring engine can seem much faster, she felt the car was to fast, asked for it to slow down, which she did, for everyones safety, then was verbally abused by the driver, had someone intentionally try to spook the horses in a most awful way,by spinning their wheels. i am of the impression the driver is very young, as it sounds like theyve no idea of how dangerous their behaviour was to the riders, horses and other road users, who could have become innocent victims had the horses in question bolted, the fact that they didnt, is testament to the op and her hacking party
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I've just made a post in the arm signals thread, the OP did not signal, asking him to slow down. She made a signal to let him know that she was slowing down, according to the highway code. Nevertheless, the driver should have, and more than likely was, already starting to slow, when he seen the obstacle ahead, but i just think it's worth pointing out, that arm signal doesn't mean what a lot of people here seem to think it means.
 
Tired said:
Based on this:



He probably has a decent case, the above is clearly a complete fabrication, based on some silly little things like the laws of physics. 100mph, in that stretch of road, impossible for that car. A burnout for a minute, while sat on the spot, again, it just didn't happen, the OP should be ashamed for telling such lies.

And I'd like to point out, before I'm accused of being a troll, or some such, yes, i've only just registered today for this website, to make this comment, but as a yard owner, I've been browing about this website for some time, and generally find it to be useful, and full of sensible and helpful people.
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I'm guessing for you to know what stretch of road it is and whether it's possible to do such speeds means you must know the guy in question...
It doesn't matter whether he attempted a burnout for a minute, or spun his wheels for 20 seconds, if he did it on purpose then there's intent there to either scare the riders, the horses or both! Plus to spin your wheels in the first place, you have to be accelerating quite harshly to begin with, again not something you should exactly be wanting to do around horses.
It also doesn't matter what you (or any of the rest of us for that matter), perceive to be lies or the truth, as the driver was found guilty!
 
Regardless of what arm signals were used, speeding and stopping to spin tyres is just stupid, the driver was clearly trying to spook the Horses, which could have resulted in injury. There is nothing ok about that!

I'm glad he was fined, shame he wern't baned from driving too.
 
Calla said:
I'm guessing for you to know what stretch of road it is and whether it's possible to do such speeds means you must know the guy in question...
It doesn't matter whether he attempted a burnout for a minute, or spun his wheels for 20 seconds, if he did it on purpose then there's intent there to either scare the riders, the horses or both! Plus to spin your wheels in the first place, you have to be accelerating quite harshly to begin with, again not something you should exactly be wanting to do around horses.
It also doesn't matter what you (or any of the rest of us for that matter), perceive to be lies or the truth, as the driver was found guilty!
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I don't know the driver in question, no. I'm basing my posts on the facts gathered from the threads both on here, and piston heads. 0-100-0 in a smidgen over a quarter mile (from the P H thread, someone measured the distances in question) is not possible in that car.

Indeed, "if he did it on purpose". Important 2 letter word there.

Yes, the driver was found guilty. I never disputed that fact. I only pointed out that the OP is a lie.
 
LaurenBay said:
Regardless of what arm signals were used, speeding and stopping to spin tyres is just stupid, the driver was clearly trying to spook the Horses, which could have resulted in injury. There is nothing ok about that!

I'm glad he was fined, shame he wern't baned from driving too.
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Who said he was speeding? We have no idea what speed he was doing. And last i checked, spinning ones wheels is not in fact, an offence, nor is accelerating harshly.

That aside, the motorist has been found guilty, once again, no-one has said he isn't, not has anyone said his actions were ok.
 
I don't think the speed matters, he was not charged or convicted of a speeding or driving offence, and the police probably knew at the time of the time of arrest that it's difficult to gauge speed of a car when you're on horseback. 0-100 is not that easy, but most high powered cars, inc a TVR this can be achieved in approx 6 or 7 seconds.

The main point is, he was convicted of a public order offence and there was an independant witness. That was using his car to cause fear / distress and his foul language. Wheelspins can come under public order offences.

I hope this is reported in the local rag so we can see what happened in court from the local rag's point of view in the gallery.

Though, going by the young man's past history on piston heads, he has a bit of a reputation for driving his car dangerously and being rather hot headed :rolleyes:
 
Tired said:
Yes, the driver was found guilty. I never disputed that fact. I only pointed out that the OP is a lie.
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You seem to be picking on the fact that the OP apparently is lying though, but writing as if you believe the driver has told the full truth and nothing but it. Surely it is more a case of there are three sides to every story, the people involved versions and the truth.
The OP wrote around 100mph, but as another poster suggested, when you're in a situation like that, 70mph could seem like 100mph and 20seconds could seem like a lifetime. Clearly the court found something in the OP and the other people that were involved's statements to decide to find the driver guilty. I'm not saying that either side hasn't elaborated their own versions slightly, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that they're downright lying either.

As LaurenBay mentioned above "speeding and stopping to spin tyres is just stupid" and "there is nothing ok about that!". I fully agree with both of those statements (Sorry I can't multi-quote).
 
Tired said:
Who said he was speeding? We have no idea what speed he was doing. And last i checked, spinning ones wheels is not in fact, an offence, nor is accelerating harshly.

That aside, the motorist has been found guilty, once again, no-one has said he isn't, not has anyone said his actions were ok.
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if you wheelspin and use your vehicle to cause fear it IS a public order offence.

therwise everyone would be doing it ;)
 
0-100 in 6 seconds? In a TVR S2?

You're funny!

I have just seen the stuff that someone on piston heads has dug up on him though. He does appear to be a bit of a silly boy!
 
Tired said:
I've just made a post in the arm signals thread, the OP did not signal, asking him to slow down. She made a signal to let him know that she was slowing down, according to the highway code. Nevertheless, the driver should have, and more than likely was, already starting to slow, when he seen the obstacle ahead, but i just think it's worth pointing out, that arm signal doesn't mean what a lot of people here seem to think it means.
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Ok the slow down signals, thats one part of it, and i agree that couldve been confusing, but why then berate and abuse the riders? Then to spin his cars wheels, im sorry, but the sole intent there was to spook the horses, which in turn puts the riders, horses and other road users at risk, a bad move by the driver, and inexcusable, no matter how peed off he was that he was asked to slow down.
I am a driver, and have had my share of fast sporty cars, Ive also ridden for years both on and off road, i have also completed my BHS riding and road safety test, in the main to show i have undertaken to educate myself on how to act and react on the road, with other road users. the minute the car driver started verbally abusing the riders and doing wheelspins he was in the wrong, putting that whole mounted party at risk, a slam dunk case in my book
 
Tired said:
0-100 in 6 seconds? In a TVR S2?

You're funny!

I have just seen the stuff that someone on piston heads has dug up on him though. He does appear to be a bit of a silly boy!
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clearly I'm not that up on TVR's. a quick google tells me 8.3 seconds or thereabouts.

Pile of rubbish if you ask me, what's so quick about that? my family bus goes quicker than that.
 
Calla said:
You seem to be picking on the fact that the OP apparently is lying though, but writing as if you believe the driver has told the full truth and nothing but it. Surely it is more a case of there are three sides to every story, the people involved versions and the truth.
The OP wrote around 100mph, but as another poster suggested, when you're in a situation like that, 70mph could seem like 100mph and 20seconds could seem like a lifetime. Clearly the court found something in the OP and the other people that were involved's statements to decide to find the driver guilty. I'm not saying that either side hasn't elaborated their own versions slightly, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that they're downright lying either.

As LaurenBay mentioned above "speeding and stopping to spin tyres is just stupid" and "there is nothing ok about that!". I fully agree with both of those statements (Sorry I can't multi-quote).
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I'm not sure what gave you that opinion, i can only assure you that is not the case. The OP is lying, though. Or mistaken, in which case, it's poor form to present that sort of evidence to a judge, if you're not sure, which clearly, the OP wasn't. I'm not 'sticking up' for the driver in any way, shape, or form.
 
lucky-lady said:
clearly I'm not that up on TVR's. a quick google tells me 8.3 seconds or thereabouts.

Pile of rubbish if you ask me, what's so quick about that? my family bus goes quicker than that.
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It's a classic car, was reasonably quick in it's day.

Still, can't be a bad family bus you have, 8.3's not that quick, but it's not slow either!
 
marydoll said:
Ok the slow down signals, thats one part of it, and i agree that couldve been confusing, but why then berate and abuse the riders? Then to spin his cars wheels, im sorry, but the sole intent there was to spook the horses, which in turn puts the riders, horses and other road users at risk, a bad move by the driver, and inexcusable, no matter how peed off he was that he was asked to slow down.
I am a driver, and have had my share of fast sporty cars, Ive also ridden for years both on and off road, i have also completed my BHS riding and road safety test, in the main to show i have undertaken to educate myself on how to act and react on the road, with other road users. the minute the car driver started verbally abusing the riders and doing wheelspins he was in the wrong, putting that whole mounted party at risk, a slam dunk case in my book
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Can't argue with that. But if you read his version of events, the abuse started from atop the horses. I wasn't there, and neither were you, so we can't really comment on exactly what happened, we don't know.
 
Tired said:
Or mistaken, in which case, it's poor form to present that sort of evidence to a judge, if you're not sure, which clearly, the OP wasn't.
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That's the thing though, unless you were in that court room then none of us know what evidence was presented to the judge.

Thanks for clearing up what type of TVR it was, I must've missed the post on it on the other forum whilst at work, I was wondering. :)
 
Tired said:
It's a classic car, was reasonably quick in it's day.

Still, can't be a bad family bus you have, 8.3's not that quick, but it's not slow either!
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7.5 secs.

de badged because it's funny making boy racers and bmw drivers faces drop when you pass them and make them eat your dust :D
 
Tired said:
Can't argue with that. But if you read his version of events, the abuse started from atop the horses. I wasn't there, and neither were you, so we can't really comment on exactly what happened, we don't know.
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A court has agreed he was in the wrong so it doesnt matter what you or i think, i just hope that he does think long and hard about what he did, and how lucky he is that the riders kept control of the horses or he couldve been looking at at much worse charge along the lines of manslaughter or causing death by dangerous driving if anyone had been killed
 
Tired said:
Based on this:



He probably has a decent case, the above is clearly a complete fabrication, based on some silly little things like the laws of physics. 100mph, in that stretch of road, impossible for that car. A burnout for a minute, while sat on the spot, again, it just didn't happen, the OP should be ashamed for telling such lies.

And I'd like to point out, before I'm accused of being a troll, or some such, yes, i've only just registered today for this website, to make this comment, but as a yard owner, I've been browing about this website for some time, and generally find it to be useful, and full of sensible and helpful people.
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Welcome to the forum King Fisher ;)

You still seem to have failed to grasp that your son was not convicted of speeding, rather he was convicted of abuse and harassment, I hope he has learned his lesson now and will not behave like such a little p*"£k in the future.
 
marydoll said:
A court has agreed he was in the wrong so it doesnt matter what you or i think, i just hope that he does think long and hard about what he did, and how lucky he is that the riders kept control of the horses or he couldve been looking at at much worse charge along the lines of manslaughter or causing death by dangerous driving if anyone had been killed
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What the court agreed upon has no bearing whatsoever on my opinion, and that's all I've been posting.

What an odd view you have. This is a discussion forum, no? But in this particular case, a court has reached a decision, so our opinions are no longer relevant?
 
Amaranta said:
Welcome to the forum King Fisher ;)

You still seem to have failed to grasp that your son was not convicted of speeding, rather he was convicted of abuse and harassment, I hope he has learned his lesson now and will not behave like such a little p*"£k in the future.
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I'm 27. I have no kids (that i know of) and even if i did, they certainly wouldn't be old enough to drive.
 
can't understand Tired, if you're a YM/YO and have experience hacking horses on roads why you're defending this mans actions?

Maybe the times/speeds were exaggerated, but that doesn't mean the conviction is any less fair as he deliberately spun his wheels to show his anger and to distress/annoy the horse riders .... his conviction wasn't based on speeding or the length of time he spun his wheels for, it was based on his intent to cause harm to another road user!

How can you condone this if you've ever ridden on roads? Surely you know how frightening/dangerous it could be to be in that situation?

I don't believe you're a horse rider at all or else you couldn't be posting as you are. This young man deserved what he got irregardless of how fast he was going initially and how long he spun his wheels for.

Shocking!
 
Tired said:
What the court agreed upon has no bearing whatsoever on my opinion, and that's all I've been posting.

What an odd view you have. This is a discussion forum, no? But in this particular case, a court has reached a decision, so our opinions are no longer relevant?
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I have been posting my opinions as well, based on the fact he was found guilty of a public order offence in relation to this incident. i find it strange you find my view odd :confused: if the riders had been injured/killed by his actions,he could have been on a very sticky wicket
 
sophiebailey said:
can't understand Tired, if you're a YM/YO and have experience hacking horses on roads why you're defending this mans actions?

Maybe the times/speeds were exaggerated, but that doesn't mean the conviction is any less fair as he deliberately spun his wheels to show his anger and to distress/annoy the horse riders ....

How can you condone this if you've ever ridden on roads? Surely you know how frightening/dangerous it could be to be in that situation?

I don't believe you're a horse rider at all or else you couldn't be posting as you are. This young man deserved what he got irregardless of how fast he was going initially and how long he spun his wheels for.

Shocking!
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There's a saying about making assumptions. They make an ass of you and me.

I have absolutely no experience of hacking. I've never ridden a horse in my life.

I also am not defending anyones actions in the slightest. I am on no-one's side, i wasn't there, i didn't witness it for myself, so in that respect, i can't comment. I can voice my opinions on what i can see though, and in this case, it was simply the opening statement in this thread, which as it appears we now agree, is false. That was all.

Calm down, you seem to think I'm some horrible horse hating car loving imposter. I'm not. I'm just someone that hates liars, voicing my opinion on a topic. There's no need to get upset about it.
 
marydoll said:
I have been posting my opinions as well, based on the fact he was found guilty of a public order offence in relation to this incident. i find it strange you find my view odd :confused: if the riders had been injured/killed by his actions,he could have been on a very sticky wicket
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I should clarify, when i said you had an odd view, i was talking specifically about this statement, and this statement alone:

"A court has agreed he was in the wrong so it doesnt matter what you or i think"

My view is that the courts decision has no affect whatsoever on my opinion of the OP's description of events.

That was all.
 
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