crazy livery - what would you do?

From my experiences ( well a friends actually ) i'm pretty sure it's quite easy to take out a court injunction telling her that if she goes within 20 yards of your horse then she'll be in trouble with the law , at the moment she IS definitely damaging your property , using something without the owners permission ,so a written warning with a more legal aspect will probably stop her.
 
Shame you can't borrow a confirmed bolted/bucker/rearer etc, disguise it as your youngster, smuggle it into your field!! When she gets on board the said horse thinking it is yours - hey presto - she goes flying through the air!! He he he. Actually before I get jumped on, this idea is not to be taken seriously!!
 
If, as you say It seems my simple reasonable request has provoked her to attempt it all the more as she 'doesnt like being told what to do'! then I suggest you tell her absolutely not to jump off a cliff.
 
This is what I would do:

Infront of the entire yard (infact I would ask the entire yard to come over..) I would walk up to her and ask her "What they HELL do you think you are doing?! If I catch you NEAR my youngster again I will be issuing you with the vets bills for damage AND a law suit! This is your final warning."

This way you have the embarassment factor as people who are also her friends, will probibily thing "WTF, getting on a 20month old, are you stupid?!"

Some people are complete idiots :mad: Have you spoken to your YO? Also people don't understand that it is infact THEIR lives they are also putting on the line by being so brainless. That youngster could end up killing her if she were to sit on it properly... Aswell as any damage she is doing to an immature horse..
 
Damnation said:
This is what I would do:

Infront of the entire yard (infact I would ask the entire yard to come over..) I would walk up to her and ask her "What they HELL do you think you are doing?! If I catch you NEAR my youngster again I will be issuing you with the vets bills for damage AND a law suit! This is your final warning."

This way you have the embarassment factor as people who are also her friends, will probibily thing "WTF, getting on a 20month old, are you stupid?!"
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I agree.

I would also tell the 'farmer' that he has no choice but to be involved, as this person is involving themself in pursuits that could land a hefty claim on his doorstep.
 
Hi,

Regardless of what the farmer does or does not want to 'get involved' with, quite simply he does have a duty of care, HE is providing the service here and running it to make money.
In turn that means he must make reasonable steps to set rules etc... that are adhered to by all to ensure safety etc...

The farmer is very much involved - he earns the money, and he has a say - I'm no solicitor but one would assume he has some liability in the situation.

I am struggling to understand why this woman is behaving this way. If this was one of my youngsters I would be furious; potentially ruining it for you - why doesn't she buy her own youngster?

I think you ought to move yards personally, as I would be so stressed not knowing what is being done to the horse when you are not there, plus as someone else says - I'd want to be on a yard where the owner/manager takes such negative behaviour seriously.

So shocked someone could behave this way, hope you get sorted and soon.
Seek legal advice, it will cost you, but my opinion is that my youngster would be worth at least a free hour session with a Solicitor.

Good luck, what a terrible situation.
 
Damnation said:
This is what I would do:

Infront of the entire yard (infact I would ask the entire yard to come over..) I would walk up to her and ask her "What they HELL do you think you are doing?! If I catch you NEAR my youngster again I will be issuing you with the vets bills for damage AND a law suit! This is your final warning."

This way you have the embarassment factor as people who are also her friends, will probibily thing "WTF, getting on a 20month old, are you stupid?!"

Some people are complete idiots :mad: Have you spoken to your YO? Also people don't understand that it is infact THEIR lives they are also putting on the line by being so brainless. That youngster could end up killing her if she were to sit on it properly... Aswell as any damage she is doing to an immature horse..
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totally agree with this.

He's not even 2!!

Also Damnation I love your horse in your siggy!!!!
 
Coat gloss, lots of it....



What is she trying to achieve from this? Have you asked her? Really bizarre thing to do, not to mention irresponsible and unbelievably stupid. Taking the leak or what!?!

Does she do weird stuff to anyone else's horse/property etc?
 
Sorry but I would ******ing kill her. How dare she, what's she playing at. One way to wreak a baby before they start their life. Go kick arse girl!!!
 
Is this for real? I cannot believe anyone could be such a tit! If this is not a wind up and this girl really is doing what others have told you and defying you to your face, then I agree with Damnation. Shame her in front of the whole yard. Something to the effect of 'I hear you are determined to get on my youngster despite the fact that I have explicitly told you not to. I cannot believe anyone could be so completely dense! However, you obviously are. So if I hear you have gone near my horse again, I will *insert threat of your choice* e.g.
Name and shame you one the net, tack shop notice boards etc.
Bill you for any future training/veterinary issues thought to be caused by your stupidity.
Punch your lights out.
 
I'd give her a leg up and the horse a slap on the arse and leave her off!!:D

Seriously I don't know what is wrong with some people. I really feel sorry for you and hope that you can get through to her to leave your horse well alone.
 
I have a nasty feeling that unless you do take formal legal steps you will find that you could be liable if she has an accident as she would argue that you knew she was doing it. Speak to your insurance company and ask them for the draft wording to ensure there are no come backs to you and give her a copy of the letter, copy in the farmer and put it in the tack room. I do feel your only real recourse though as this woman is obviously a complete idiot is to involve the farmer and say you plus x number of other liveries will leave unless he gets involved although I would personally prefer said person to go altogether. I would also get something in writing from your vet as to the damage done and give her a bill. Ask the other liveries as well to tell you when she is down and tell them they all have your full permission to wade in if you are not there and get them to at least photograph her so you have undeniable proof. I too would dearly like to cause harm to anyone who did that but you have to try to find actions that will help you resolve this.
 
shadowboy said:
totally agree with this.

He's not even 2!!

Also Damnation I love your horse in your siggy!!!!
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Thank you :D
She *knows* she is a stunner and therefore posed and pointed her toes for the pics! :D

OP - I hope you get this sorted. Shame her infront of everyone, sometimes its the only way to deal with such idiots, the embarassment factor. Keep your voice quiet, don't swear, don't threaten anything physical, threaten with things you can legally carry through. Especially infront of witnesses. You are then seen to be behaving appropriately and she has no comeback on you :)
 
Done a quick bit of research into possible laws that she may have / may be breaking, the below seems to fit the bill. As, if her actions lead to damage or even perceived damage where you feel the need to get the horse checked out, then not only could you claim for the cost you could also have her charged with a criminal offence.

I suggest you post a notice on the yard and also hand deliver her one, informing her that the horse is too young to be ridden, that any attempts to do so could not only damage the horse physically but also make the breaking of it at the correct time, more time consuming and therefore more costly. That anyone caught trying to ride your horse will be reported to the police and that the horse will have to be checked by the vet and physio, with the costs for such checks as well as a claim for future losses being claimed from the individual concerned.

If such a notice is published and brought to her attention (do this in front of witnesses) then even if she doesn't intend to damage the horse she will be damaging it recklessly.



S.1(1) Criminal Damage Act 1971 provides that a person is guilty of criminal damage if they intentionally or recklessly destroy or damage property belonging to another without lawful excuse.

Destroy or damage
There is no statutory definition of 'destroy or damage', however some principles have emerged from case law:
• There is no requirement that the property is rendered useless, a diminution in value is sufficient for liability for criminal damage:
• If no damage in fact occurs then no liability for criminal damage can arise:
• However, damage includes temporary impairment or temporary loss of use:
• Importantly, where expense has been incurred in restoring the property to its former state, this will constitute criminal damage:
• This seems to apply even where the expense was unnecessarily incurred:


The appropriate test of recklessness for criminal damage is:
"A person acts recklessly within the meaning of section 1 of the Criminal Damage Act 1971 with respect to –

(i) a circumstance when he is aware of a risk that it exists or will exist;
(ii) a result when he is aware of a risk that it will occur;
and it is, in the circumstances known to him, unreasonable to take the risk."
 
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You could print off all these replies and stick it in the tack room , no need to tell her , just wait and see how long it takes for someone to tell her she's made a total arse of herself!
 
I think I would put a notice up on the fence advising that no one has been given permission ot 'ride' this horse and anyone seen doing so will recieve a letter from your solicitor. The possible damage, not just to his back but to his education and future behaviour coul dbe immense!

And follow through with the letter if she does it again.
 
I think most people have covered it with legal letters/signs etc...

BUT also if you see her do it get it on video, and on the video make sure you say how you have told her to stay away from your horse how hes too young shes going to hurt him and how she could injure herself etc just so you have the proof that you will not be liable if she comes off if for any reason she hurt herself and tried getting you done.

If she continues... you could always let me loose on her ;) haha
 
I would ensure she is on her own and very calmly and quietly tell her that you know she has been getting on your horse. Then step closer to her (in an invading her space kind of way), tell her, very calmly and quietly, that if you find out she has been doing it again, you will not be held responsible for your actions ie, you will smack her in the gob!!. You need to tell her how angry you are, and that you thought she was a responsible adult. You also need to tell her that she has been utterly wreckless and could have harmed your horse and that she needs to think herself lucky she hasnt.
It never fails to amaze me how some people think its their right to take/harm/ spoil/ruin other people's things.
How utterly stupid this woman has been.
 
This woman sounds nuts. If the YO is unwilling to get involved and ensure she either stops trying to mount your horse or leaves the yard, personally I would take my horse and leave. You can't safeguard your horse 24/7 against such a lunatic and no law will adequately compensate you for the possible harm (even if you go through all the time consuming, costly legal channels), so I would just get as far away from her as possible.

Seeing how loopy she sounds I wouldn't put it past her to be holding you responsible if she were injured while messing about with your horse!
 
This woman sounds like she is not playing with a full deck!
She's been told that she is not to do it, and yet she is trying to do it more now because she doesn't like being told what to do?!

Bizarre!!

I would say that the YO should be involved. It's a shame that you need to consider moving because of this person's silly actions, but you can't risk your youngster's health.
 
I think Crazy Livery sums it up quite nicely!

I would be going down the legal notice route, emphasizing the criminal damage aspect. If your horse proves difficult to mount as a result of this, that would constitute diminution of value and thus criminal damage. I would also be insistent with the farmer/YO, as he will indeed be held part liable should any harm come to the horse/rider and he hasn't re-iterated that her actions are reckless.

Really what she needs is a cap in the ass, as the Yanks would say, but stoopid laws and all that... ;)
 
Sorry if this has been said, as I have not read the entire 'death threat' thread.

I would suggest you need to put in writing, to the livery and to your YO, that she is on no account to attempt to mount or ride your youngster.

My thought is that if she tries it again and either takes a fall or a kick, then she will be after you in a second, claiming that you said she could ride your horse and that the horse is unsafe, and trying to claim compensation from you and possibly the YO.

I am surprised by almost nothing in the horse world any more. It seems to attract nutters like no other pastime (although I'm sure the dog world has a few:D).
 
I am holding, very tightly, onto my belief that somewhere down the line, this must be a wind up. Surely. I have a reputation for having several screws loose and even I can't conceive how you could find yourself mounting someone else's yearling in a field without permission or restraint.

Are you certain your sources are reliable?

If you're in any doubt, could you consider putting cctv or some kind of webcam / stable cam in the field? I presume this is happening during daylight hours, and I don't think these systems are ridiculously expensive (or rather, it might be feasible to use a cheaper alternative - webcam / trailer cam type thing depending on the size of your field - or even set up a video camera if you have a rough idea of when she's likely to try - mine can record several hours worth without charging / running out of space).

This would give you confirmation of what's happening and proof for WHW / court action / YO / etc. Coupled to a sign on the gate saying words to the effect that "any interference with horse is down at own risk, horse is young, unbroken and therefore should under no circumstances be mounted or ridden".
 
Does nayone else think this woman does not sound the full shilling? While she may be able to hold a job down she does not seem to have any notion of boundaries or any kind of social radar. I cannot believe someone would do this in the first place but to carry on when explicitly told not to because 'they don't like being told what to do' is VERY alarming. I doubt she would pay much attention to a solicitor's letter and to be honest OP, if your YO does not take steps, you may be forced to leave the yard. As another poster has pointed out, you cannot guard your horse against her 24/7. I know you love the place but this could ruin your youngster for good.
 
Not a wind up unfortunately I have been told on 2 seperate occasions by 2 different people who were with her when she tried to do it.

The second person who told me actually questioned why I had a problem with it but then she broke her own horse in when he was 2...

I haven't seen the crazy one since her last attempt and I'm just shocked that she has blatantly ignored me. I'm not used to dealing with people like that!
 
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