Credit Crunch....getting scary now!!

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What was invested was over 300k. Last year we pulled 118k in order to do work to our house among other things.


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Always invest in property. It always comes good in the end! A house that cost £300k in 1999 would not be worth £118k now, or less. Worth bearing in mind for the future perhaps...
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Oh you are so right - this was our plan, to buy another couple of houses with the money we had put aside; sadly couldn't find the right houses, or didn't make the time available to find them. We lost a sight more than the lady above, actually, as you know Sooty, we lost the whole lot and that was that.

1 or 2 years on (see I can't even remember when it happened), I barely think of this money now. What is the point? It's gone and no amount of wishing we had done this, or kicking ourselves for not doing that, is going to change a darned thing. I am only glad that with my portion of the money I bought and paid for absolutely everything we have on this farm of ours. We may not have a safety net, (well we do have a little one in the UK) but we owe nothing to anyone and I am content with this.
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This latest credit crunch, yep lived through them before, hasn't affected us greatly. I don't read newspapers, rarely watch the news and although I am vaguely aware of major events which go on in the world, I am fairly well insulated from suffering from a lot of the problems others may be going through. My little business is doing quite nicely, but then I run on a small scale and don't need a whole lot to survive. I carry a fair amount of stock so if we really did hit a bad patch then I could quite easily liquidate amounts of money to tide us over. My husbands business in the UK is still bringing him in about the same as it always has, actually a little more if anything. He doesn't use this money at all while he lives in Canada, so once again, if we needed a helping hand, it's there for us.

I have to say, there appears to be little belt-tightening over here. A number of my friends are being a little more careful, but is it due to what is going on worldwide? I'm not so sure, I think it is more to do with heightened costs of every day items, than the worry of global concerns or being concerned about their jobs being there for them tomorrow. Nothing much changes in these small rural communities, people keep going the way they always have. Why is this? I guess to a certain extent, the greater picture doesn't, on the whole, affect this part of small-town-Canada.

If I am truthful, I was ever so slightly concerned a month or so ago as I have to sell a handful of horses to make up my short falls each year. Well up till July/August, no horses seemed to be shifting anywhere (mind you I didn't advertise until well into August due to outside distractions), however just in the past few weeks, they have. I've made up my shortfall, bar one horse, but I can live with that. Hay orders have gone through the roof and we need to sit down and work out all our orders before we accept to supply any more new customers ... so some people are still spending. We are fine for hay for our horses so no further expense should jump out the woodwork at us for the next few months, although we have had a number of new boarders come recently but we should still be absolutely fine with this.

Property prices where I live, have not reduced; on the contrary they have increased significantly over the past couple of years as this area seems to have become very desirable. Houses are still selling for the same as previously and there seems to be no real slowdown on this.

I certainly don't see the level of concern over here that I am reading about on here regarding the worry in the UK. People over here are still going about their business and no-one I know appears to have made significant cut-backs in their lifestyles. Maybe we are all too blind, maybe we are sheltered, maybe we haven't been affected yet, maybe we are just too wrapped up in our own little lives to not realise what seems to be going on in the rest of the world, or maybe we just don't read newspapers and are not being driven by all the hype?
 

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I work in a bank!!!!! Im pretty sure we are well stood to weather the storm - deposit your cash with me!


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Teeheee! You're QUITE sure it's safe?


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Well if it's one of the big four, then it's as safe as it gets, if one of those went under the UK economy would pretty much collapse and the country go bankrupt.

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Not true. There is not a 100% guarantee the 'big four' are safe, any more than Lehman Bros, one of the world's largest companies, was safe. Yes it's true that the government are not likely to let them collapse, but the country 'going bankrupt'? Methinks not.

'As safe as it gets' would be more to open an account with Bank of Ireland, Anglo Irish Bank or Allied Irish Bank (or one of the other top 6 Irish banks) as the Irish Government is guaranteeing deposits for the next two years, whereas the UK is NOT.
 

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'As safe as it gets' would be more to open an account with Bank of Ireland, Anglo Irish Bank or Allied Irish Bank (or one of the other top 6 Irish banks) as the Irish Government is guaranteeing deposits for the next two years, whereas the UK is NOT.



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Don't forget countries can go bust too, nothing is really 100% safe. Even puttinit under the mattress carries risk!
 

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Thats why my cash is now invested in a small farm for our horses rather than in the savings account i had at Bradford & Bingley (lucky escape
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) As my OH says- worst case scenario we can move in with the boys
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mind you thanks to the investments of the French energy sector - his work is looking more secure than ever
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'As safe as it gets' would be more to open an account with Bank of Ireland, Anglo Irish Bank or Allied Irish Bank (or one of the other top 6 Irish banks) as the Irish Government is guaranteeing deposits for the next two years, whereas the UK is NOT.



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Don't forget countries can go bust too, nothing is really 100% safe. Even puttinit under the mattress carries risk!

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Am well aware of that - trust me, it's my job to be aware of that! - but governments are much safer than the 'big four', which are definitely not as 'safe as it gets'.

Incidentally, Irish accounts are available over here through the Post Office/Bank of Ireland joint venture - I have my mortgage through them and they were fantastic.
 

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I think in the UK we are greedy and wasteful. I was brought up in a post-war generation, (and I am not that old!), but the differences in how people live nowadays are astonishing. My parents would buy furniture and anticipate it lasting for life, or at least a very long time - nowadays, people think nothing of changing their furniture when they redecorate. People want the 'latest' in home entertainment, because the stuff they have has been superceded - even though it still works. Kids want squash or fizzy drinks and complain if they have to drink water, people complain about the cost of free range food yet still smoke, people want to change their entire wardrobe every 'season' (whatever that means!) - and it is not like that in the rest of Europe. Certainly, in the parts of France and Italy we have visited this year, it is not nearly such a consumer-driven and acquisitive society.

On top of wanting everything, people want it now, so the level of personal debt in the UK is terrifying. Obviously not everyone is like this (neither of my children is), but a huge amount of people are. People seem to think they have a right to drive a car, own a tv etc etc, and if they can't afford it, they borrow. The banks and finance companies are pretty unscrupulous and lend regardless of ability fo repay, over the years having shifted responsibility to the borrower from the lender. So I can fully see why things are so different where you are! Maybe one positive thing to come from this recession will be a shift in attitude, and a respite for the landfill sites.

The horse world is not unaffected either, with designer ranges of clothing and rugs, and rugs in 'this season's colours'. That'll be brown, then...
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And don't get me wrong; I love 'stuff' - I just buy what I can afford. Although our 'vice' is a big car, which collapsed at the weekend, so it remains to see how affordable that is going to be...
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Well I'm taking a punt and have just stuck £6000 worth of my pension in the stock market as I don't need it for 20 odd years
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I'm either nuts or a genius only time will tell!
 

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I'm clearly a bit slow when it comes to finance, my OH deals with all our finances (which speaks volumes LOL)

We're people who HATE credit and as such never have credit cards or anything. I recently got a Visa card to buy things on the internet (debit, not credit
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) but that's about it lol. A year ago I was being offered credit cards daily, and the more I ignored them the more letters I got offering anything up to ten thousand pounds! I havent had ANY credit card offers in months and months..

Our current lenders refused to allow us the money to buy a new house because of the line of work my OH works in (how scary is that?) so we've had to go with another lender, and that morgage, in the space of 3 weeks has gone up a whole percent! So why are we moving? Esp. In this climate? We can no longer afford the labour and materials to renovate our current house, we can no longer afford oil heating costs, and can no longer afford to NOT live near a shop. Bus prices have gone up by £1 each way (it's a 4 mile jouney to the shops!) meaning we're using the car more and more, and we have to STOP.


I remember a few years ago a friend's sister who moved to a new house every two years. They would simply get one of these morgages where you didnt have to prove your income, and buy a spanking new house. New furniture on credit, etc etc... they'd pay a few months morgage payments then stop paying anything. By the time they got kicked out they'd found a new house to buy, no deposit, and no proof of income. It was so easy
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I think those banks who sold morgages like that should be bloomin well made to pay...
 

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OH and I seem to be prime examples of how previous attitudes in lending, combined with CC can make people SKINT SKINT SKINT!! Scary stuff!
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We are in our mid twenties and have a combined income of about 60k (we are notherners so not bad), have a mortgage of 120k, £650 or so a month and we were fine, but we were silly. We borrowed what we could, it's easy to live the high life off credit cards/loans when you are stupid!

So now we are both maxed out and paying for it.
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I expect we will manage but have had to seriously cut back on everything. It costs £15 for me to get to work and back and I do worry towards the end of the month if I'll make it there!!

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But at least you take responsibility for your situation. So many people are blaming the banks. Admittedly, they have relaxed the rules for borrowing to a ludicrous degree, (look at the debts students amass!), but there has to be some personal responsibility. Now it will all swing the other way, people won't be able to get mortgages and the housing market will slow down. The economy never seems to stay stable for long!
 

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You are obviously far from slow, and very clued-up. There is never a perfect time to move, as unless you sell up and live in a tent of move abroad, you are buying and selling in the same market. At least the money you pay out will be going towards a purchase, rather than rent, so at the end of the term you will own your own property. Bricks and mortar have never yet failed to be a good place to put your money!
 
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