Cremellos

[cobface]

What colour sire and dam are needed for a cremello and a palomino??

Just a query

If a very pink skinned one blue eyed skewbald cob (blue/white) was put with a cremello stallion what would be the chances of a cremello or palomino foal??

Isnt it something like a chestnut and a cremello have a high chance of a palomino foal?

 

[volatis]

Chestnut plus 1 cream gene = palomino
chestnut plus 2 cream genes = cremello

Therefore when you breed a chestnut to a cremello, the foal has to inherit 1 cream gene, and therefore will be a palomino

Now the cob in your example carries the grey gene, so there is at least a 50% chance the foal will inherit that (100% chance if the cob carries 2 grey genes)
To tell you if the foal will be cremello or buckskin or smoky black under that possible grey, you need to know what colour the cob was before it greyed out and ideally what colour its parents were. Even better is to have a dna test done to ascertain what colour genes it will contribute to the foal

 

[Holly831]

I have a lovely palimino foal (9 month old) Dam is Liver Chesnut and sire is Dun!!

I think you need the chesnut along with the dilute to get palamino or double dilute for the cremello/perlino.

There is a really good site that explains...will go search...(wanders off...)

http://www.horse-genetics.com/cremello-horses.html

 

[cobface]

Thanks for that

The cob has always been the same light shade of grey and is very pink, dam was pink skinned too with reddy coloured skewbald patches, sire piebald - not pink skinned

 

[KarynK]

It would also depend on the Mare, if she has two genes for back base coat you will have no chance of palomino, but would get a Smokey black. But it does sound like she possibly had a chestnut parent, was the red chestnut or more like a bay?

Also the stallion might not actually be a cremello but could be a perlino (bay/brown and 2 cream genes) or a smokey cream (black based with 2 cream genes), then it would depend if the stallion carries chestnut.

Then depending on the gene responsible for the colour on your mare an up to 50% chance of colour. Because of the amount of genes involved testing would be the best bet.

The cremello society had a really good colour chart with pictures but can't seem to find it now.

Sashpip that was probably not a dun stallion but buckskin (bay/brown + 1 cream)

 

[cobface]

Her mum was more red and white and she had a previous foal to the same sire (full sister to my cob) who was red and white

 

[Holly831]

Karynk - you are absolutly correct!! I didn't actually know this as he is/was advertised as a Dun!! Found him on all breed pedigree and he is listed as a buckskin/dun.

Sadly he was gelded by his new owners after he passed his grading so my filly is only one of 12 by him. He is now eventing with Alice Smith.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dun+to+order

 

[KarynK]

Yep Fergus is listed as a dun too but he's the culprit as Carrie was by a palomino and Picasso is listed as a bay tobiano. Though it is possible that Carrie was a dunskin, though I cannot see a dorsal stripe or any wild markings on dun to order in his pictures. Nice stamp though you got in just in time!!

Out of interest was you mare a very dark liver and what shade was your palomino? Piccs????

 

[twisteddiamond]

my bay mare (in my sig) had a palamino filly when put to a palamino stallion she is a really golden palamino colour, not sure if that any help to you

 

[Holly831]

Not brilliant pics but you can see the colours! We thought she was going to be chesnut to begin with but is defo Palamino.


Newborn (about 6 hours old)

About 5 months

A couple of weeks ago (8 months old)

She was a lot lighter in summer but can't find any pictures!

 

[Holly831]

Found one!

 

[KarynK]

Sorry tried to reply last night but lost it argh!

She is quite pale isn't she compared to mum who is very dark! Will be interesting to see what she does in the spring. Lovely girl though. Mum has some flaxen there as well. Did she have a pinkish hue as a young foal? Was it at her first moult that she got her colour? She has the dapples to.

There seems to be quite a lot involved in chestnut coat shades and how cream affects them, I always thought that the darker the chestnut underneath the darker the palomino but this doesn't seem to follow. The problem is that if one parent is bay or brown you have no visual clue as to what shade of chestnut it carries.

 

[Holly831]

Mum is a very dark liver with flaxen mane + tail, filly looked pale chesnut for a long time and even the vet couldn't make her mind up what colour she was going to end up. In summer her mane/tail went very silver, almost white not flaxen. Would you still call her palamino?


The mares last foal was by Classic (dark bay) and started out a similar colour but he went chesnut

As a youngster (about 3 months)

At 8 months at his new home 4 weeks after leaving me. Unfortunetly he got grass sickness within a day of this photo being taken and had to be PTS, Heart breaking.