littlemisslauren
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Yes!!
I believe we read the same paper! I reviewed it for my dissertation but i cannot face trudging through it all again (I'm still traumatised from writing the dreaded thing!)
Cribbing ; how to stop and do collars work ?
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Yes!!
I believe we read the same paper! I reviewed it for my dissertation but i cannot face trudging through it all again (I'm still traumatised from writing the dreaded thing!)
Charlie007
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My horse has cribbed since I got him. I knew he cribbed but it didn;t put me off. I would not consider using a collar. Its like me having a bar of chocolate inches from my face and not being able to have it!! He has a metl strip on the stable door, and I have put a post in his field especially for him to crib on, saves the fencing. I would rather he didn't do it but he does. As long as he does what I want for a few hours a day the rest of the time is his own. If you look at his teeth you cannot tell he cribs.
belle31
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I totally agree, please don't use a collar. My horse cribs and I also have metal on top of door. I hardly notice her doing it now, she would get stressed if she didnt do it, it's habit. I'm sure she has OCD as when I am finished riding her she always rubs her right knee with her nose before I get off, her previous owner said she always did it with her too!! I would advise you give your horse pink powder to help the gut with all the cribbing, I give mine two little blue scoops every day otherwise she can be prone to colic.
Again I knew she cribbed when I bought her and it didn't put me off, cos she is brilliant in every other way.
Again I knew she cribbed when I bought her and it didn't put me off, cos she is brilliant in every other way.
L&M
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My horse cribs - he is an ex bsja horse that took up the habit at the height of his competitive career, as was under quite a lot of stress and predominatley stabled.
When we bought him we were aware of the habit so ensure he is turned out as much as possible, has ad lib hay when stabled overnight in the winter, and have cut out all cereals in his diet. He has been scoped for ulcers, but has none present, so can only assume it is a habit and not acid related.
I do not believe in collars as believe they make the horse more stressed - my horse has never had colic and his teeth are in good condition considering he cribs. He has his favourite post in the field he cribs on and would never stop him......
When we bought him we were aware of the habit so ensure he is turned out as much as possible, has ad lib hay when stabled overnight in the winter, and have cut out all cereals in his diet. He has been scoped for ulcers, but has none present, so can only assume it is a habit and not acid related.
I do not believe in collars as believe they make the horse more stressed - my horse has never had colic and his teeth are in good condition considering he cribs. He has his favourite post in the field he cribs on and would never stop him......
eoe
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These muzzle work, they can eat and drink with them on, they dont cause colic. A friend brought a horse, when she got it home it cribbed so she got one of these and he now cant crib.
http://www.grazingmuzzles.co.uk/cribbing.htm
http://www.grazingmuzzles.co.uk/cribbing.htm
L&M
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Sorry EOE but I think that the muzzle looks barbaric - I wouldn't let one near my horse, though appreciate it could be a good last resort for a horse that cribs so badly that it causes health issues...
potty_4_piebalds
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I dont think the collars work and i dont like them either a pony that was on our yard had one on 24/7 and it made his head sore as he sweated under it in the summer i thought it was cruel!!!! i would sooner see them windsuck/crib bite. i agree you should have him scoped for ulcers.
my old pony used to windsuck after his feed and a couple of times on a post in the field when first turned out it done him no harm.
its just like a smoking habit
my old pony used to windsuck after his feed and a couple of times on a post in the field when first turned out it done him no harm.
its just like a smoking habit
jaypeebee
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I would never try to stop my horse from cribbing by force using either a collar or one of those muzzle things. They need to get their high and to stop them using devices like this is almost verging on cruelty in my humble opinion. Once the horse is in a better place psychologically then there is the chance for it to stop.
archiesmum
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I have a rising 19 yo ex racehorse and I have seen new born foals with teeth better than his!! I do use a collar and have come up against the same 'don't use a collar, its cruel' comments time and time again... until they see his lack of teeth and realise, as he stands, in rude health, it will be that which kills him. He doesn't attempt to crib once it is on, especially now he is in a routine where it is off in the field (electric tape) and back on in the stable. He will crib rather than eat and I'm sure the massive muscle under his neck that he arrived with wasn't the most comfortable, especially when working. I tried all that I could and the collar was the last resort. I got him at 15yo so it was a well established habit and he has never shown signs of colic (touches wood!!) when using the collar. At the end of the day what works with one doesn't always work with another, just becasue a collar didnt work with one horse doesn't mean that they don't work and are cruel.
Also not everyone with a cribber can change their stables and/or turnout to suit an idealistic 27/7 turnout and no surface to grab on, and therefore should not be made to feel inferior due to the management applied to their horse in their own personal situation
*gets off soap box and prepares for ear bashing*
Also not everyone with a cribber can change their stables and/or turnout to suit an idealistic 27/7 turnout and no surface to grab on, and therefore should not be made to feel inferior due to the management applied to their horse in their own personal situation
*gets off soap box and prepares for ear bashing*
Puppy
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Puppy
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Because the horse gets agitated and upset. Also, because a lot of horses initially start to crib because of digestive problems, and by putting on the collar you are withdrawing their natural way of trying to cope with that.
Puppy
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Horses don't copy cribbing. It's a myth.
Sparkles
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I've had the opposite from previous experiences...whichever way, it's not a risk I can take on the yard tbh.
Shilasdair
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You do tend to find that you get 'cribbing' yards; the owners fondly think it is evidence of copying.
In reality, it's because every poor horse is subject to the same bad management, with no consideration to horse psychology/behavioural needs.
S
RobinHood
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There is so much research out there that your friend needs to have a read through. For starters here's 123 relevant articles http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=413b646521057fb866a908ffc6152c82
In particular I'd recommend anthing by McGreevy, Parker, McBride and Hemmings, although be prepared to find conflicting findings and opinions between them.
A few relevant bits:
When crib-biters are prevented from crib-biting and eating, a relative stasis in the motility of the foregut occurs, suggesting that normal gut function in these animals depends on ad libitum access to food and to suitable crib-biting substrates (McGreevy and Nichol, 1998).
Stereotypy horses have increased activity within the mesoaccumbens dopamine pathway and, thus, the development of environmentally-induced stereotypy may be associated with changes in motivational systems within the animal (McBride and Hemmings, 2005).
Sadly it takes a long time for research like this to reach the masses and replace longheld beliefs and stigmas.
In particular I'd recommend anthing by McGreevy, Parker, McBride and Hemmings, although be prepared to find conflicting findings and opinions between them.
A few relevant bits:
When crib-biters are prevented from crib-biting and eating, a relative stasis in the motility of the foregut occurs, suggesting that normal gut function in these animals depends on ad libitum access to food and to suitable crib-biting substrates (McGreevy and Nichol, 1998).
Stereotypy horses have increased activity within the mesoaccumbens dopamine pathway and, thus, the development of environmentally-induced stereotypy may be associated with changes in motivational systems within the animal (McBride and Hemmings, 2005).
Sadly it takes a long time for research like this to reach the masses and replace longheld beliefs and stigmas.
smac
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Wells said archiesmum.
I have a question for those above however, who claim that 24/7 turn out is the best thing. My youngster learnt to crib in a field with grass, similar aged company, random toys and a foot path alongside so lots of fuss. He didnt crib when we bought him as a yearling. He has no gastric ulcers. At what point was he not in a natural environment that he would start?! He cribs whether in or out regardless of grass/hay/toys/feed/supplements. Only thing that stops him is collar, and when it goes on, he doesnt even try, he occupies himself.
The other youngster didn't pick up despite living in same field for 3/4years. But when cribber youngster came in after winter break he was stabled next to my 7yr old holstein and within 24hrs he started to copy. so cribber was moved and before mentioned horse has not been seen to crib since. Do horses copy other horses cribbing yes. Does every horse copy a cribber no. That is an individual situation to every individual horse and should be handled as such at the time by yard/owner/whatever
I have a question for those above however, who claim that 24/7 turn out is the best thing. My youngster learnt to crib in a field with grass, similar aged company, random toys and a foot path alongside so lots of fuss. He didnt crib when we bought him as a yearling. He has no gastric ulcers. At what point was he not in a natural environment that he would start?! He cribs whether in or out regardless of grass/hay/toys/feed/supplements. Only thing that stops him is collar, and when it goes on, he doesnt even try, he occupies himself.
The other youngster didn't pick up despite living in same field for 3/4years. But when cribber youngster came in after winter break he was stabled next to my 7yr old holstein and within 24hrs he started to copy. so cribber was moved and before mentioned horse has not been seen to crib since. Do horses copy other horses cribbing yes. Does every horse copy a cribber no. That is an individual situation to every individual horse and should be handled as such at the time by yard/owner/whatever
Boater
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My friend has a 2 year old PBA filly she bred herself, and she started cribbing before being weaned. Whether she copied the gelding in the next field, who cribbed in full view of her, or she was "bored", we will never know. She wore a collar as a yearling but hasn't had it on for a year now. She stopped cribbing this winter but now the weather has changed and the grass is growing...she's started again. Always has plenty of turnout and haynet in field. She is out with a gelding she has been with since they were foals together and he has never shown any tendency to crib. This filly is about to be turned out with the other mares at our yard, including my newly purchased 2 year old Dales filly. I am hesitant, to say the least, but think she should perhaps wear the collar out in the field, I would be mortified if my girl started, even though I don't really like the collars.
littlemisslauren
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I suggest people do read the papers posted. I myself have done limited research in the occurences of sterotypical behaviour in different stabling environments, finding no evidence of copying.
Many young horses can develop it due to stressfull weanings or picking it up from its mum.
In my experience, people like to kid themselves that their horse has picked it up from another horse so that they do not have to accept that their management systems are at fault.
Not everyone has the luxury of dictating turnout time for affected horses. But i know I would rather move yards than allow my horse to remain distressed.
Many young horses can develop it due to stressfull weanings or picking it up from its mum.
In my experience, people like to kid themselves that their horse has picked it up from another horse so that they do not have to accept that their management systems are at fault.
Not everyone has the luxury of dictating turnout time for affected horses. But i know I would rather move yards than allow my horse to remain distressed.
competitiondiva
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Well this subject seems extremely divided... At the end of the day every horse is an individual, some will possibly stress with a collar on, some won't. Some may be more prone to colic without the collar, others not! Some may learn it, others not!
Basically as long as we ensure that each horse is removed from any situation where it may be stressed, and away from any bad management and we ensure that we can provide the best environment for that horse (within reason and being realistic). Then it is down to what works for you and your horse....... whether that be using a collar or not.
What I can't stand is hearing people say 'but it looks so cruel' personally I don't care what it looks like as long as the horse isn't suffering.... and whether a horse 'suffers' wearing a collar will be totally dependant on the individual horse!
Basically as long as we ensure that each horse is removed from any situation where it may be stressed, and away from any bad management and we ensure that we can provide the best environment for that horse (within reason and being realistic). Then it is down to what works for you and your horse....... whether that be using a collar or not.
What I can't stand is hearing people say 'but it looks so cruel' personally I don't care what it looks like as long as the horse isn't suffering.... and whether a horse 'suffers' wearing a collar will be totally dependant on the individual horse!
Natch
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Quick reply, so sorry if I am repeating what others have already said...
Horses who exhibit stereotypies (cribbing/windsucking etc etc) develop it for a reason, be it behavioural or physical. The single best thing you can do for these horses is to remove the reason - have a good hard honest look at how you are managing the horse, get vet to check them etc.
Removing the reason won't always remove the behaviour; if it has gone on for a while the horse will be "hardwired" to perform it. As others have said, its far kinder to allow them to exhibit the behaviour - be it to help them to digest or to help them to cope with stress, than it is to prevent them from performing it, which could well have the opposite effect.
I too, have found no scientific validation for horses copying stereotypies, and think it makes much more sense that horses on a yard are subject to the same poor management which results in the development of this behaviour. The only exception to this for me would be a foal learning from its dam, because they learn things differently than more mature horses- and I'm not even sure that link has been very well proven.
Horses who exhibit stereotypies (cribbing/windsucking etc etc) develop it for a reason, be it behavioural or physical. The single best thing you can do for these horses is to remove the reason - have a good hard honest look at how you are managing the horse, get vet to check them etc.
Removing the reason won't always remove the behaviour; if it has gone on for a while the horse will be "hardwired" to perform it. As others have said, its far kinder to allow them to exhibit the behaviour - be it to help them to digest or to help them to cope with stress, than it is to prevent them from performing it, which could well have the opposite effect.
I too, have found no scientific validation for horses copying stereotypies, and think it makes much more sense that horses on a yard are subject to the same poor management which results in the development of this behaviour. The only exception to this for me would be a foal learning from its dam, because they learn things differently than more mature horses- and I'm not even sure that link has been very well proven.
Shilasdair
Patting her thylacine
Agree with Natch.
Would also add that I have read studies which suggest that the predisposition to stereotypies can be hereditary (i.e. passed down in the genes). However, the unusual and interesting point is that the offspring often acquire a different stereotypy to the parent/s.
I've also read the results of studies into weaning methods - they suggested (if memory serves) that sudden weaning can create an acidic gut environment, which the horse learns to relieve by swallowing saliva as a buffer. Horses, unlike dogs, can't salivate without gripping something with their teeth...voila you have cribbing.
Weaning more naturally, in the herd technique where you remove one mare at a time is supposed to help prevent stereotypies.
S
teddyt
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I know some of this has been said already but it needs saying again- Horses DO NOT copy cribbing. if 2 horses or more on the same yard do it it is because they have the same management and/or diet. Cribbing is a totally man made problem and can start in foals. The main reasons are cereal diets, abrupt weaning, insufficient fibre in the diet, ulcers and confinement. A horse living out can still do it if the grass is inufficient and there is insufficient fibre going through the digestive system.
Collars treat the symptom NOT the cause and have been proven to make the horse have a greater level of stress and discomfort- the only person who feels better is the owner.
Cribbing releases endorphins and gives the horse a natural high, hence in some cases even if the cause is removed a horse may still crib. But it should be managed with lots of turnout, no cereals in the diet whatsoever and plenty of fibre- even in the field.
Collars treat the symptom NOT the cause and have been proven to make the horse have a greater level of stress and discomfort- the only person who feels better is the owner.
Cribbing releases endorphins and gives the horse a natural high, hence in some cases even if the cause is removed a horse may still crib. But it should be managed with lots of turnout, no cereals in the diet whatsoever and plenty of fibre- even in the field.
Dot1
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Sorry, but those of you who are not advocating the use of a collar have obviously never had a horse go through colic surgery and repeated colic due to cribbing!
Yes in a ideal world we would not use a collars etc to prevent cribbing but I would far prefer that than risk fatal colic. For any horse that cribs, surely the best thing to do would be maximise turnout, forage and make sure you give something like Pink Powder in feed? Scope for ulcers etc. Speak to a good nutritionist as well, to ensure the diet is sufficient and suitable for a cribber.
Many horses crib and never colic but for some it is a very real risk. It makes me furious when people give potentially uneducated and misguided information to someone over a forum without know the horse.
Our horse only wears his collar in his stable, he has it off when turned out and has a very well managed routine. He is only 6 and had colic surgery a year ago, if we were to let him crib continuely, we have been given a very clear message from the vets, it is very likely he will colic and the consequences would probably be fatal. When we bought him we followed all the advice not to use the collar and let him crib, so be very careful when handing out advice you know exactly what you are talking about!
Yes in a ideal world we would not use a collars etc to prevent cribbing but I would far prefer that than risk fatal colic. For any horse that cribs, surely the best thing to do would be maximise turnout, forage and make sure you give something like Pink Powder in feed? Scope for ulcers etc. Speak to a good nutritionist as well, to ensure the diet is sufficient and suitable for a cribber.
Many horses crib and never colic but for some it is a very real risk. It makes me furious when people give potentially uneducated and misguided information to someone over a forum without know the horse.
Our horse only wears his collar in his stable, he has it off when turned out and has a very well managed routine. He is only 6 and had colic surgery a year ago, if we were to let him crib continuely, we have been given a very clear message from the vets, it is very likely he will colic and the consequences would probably be fatal. When we bought him we followed all the advice not to use the collar and let him crib, so be very careful when handing out advice you know exactly what you are talking about!
Puppy
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Well, obviously, you are wrong! My cribber colics with a collar on. I also lost my greatly beloved old horse to colic 4 years ago...
Which is why I keep my cribber where I do. A quiet yard where she can have 24/7 turnout. We have fenced the field with 6ft posts and electric fence specially for her, so that she cannot wreck them, with a post put in one corner of the field specifically for her to crib on. She lives on ab lib top quality hayalge, and even in mid winter little more than a scoop of mix, and some balancer. I do all of this because I know this is the best way to manage her cribbing and the best for her health. I believe that putting a collar on her would be the very opposite of that.
I know that. Many years ago when I first got my cribber it was a problem with her.
Touché...
But as you yourself have said above, the best thing for a cribber is to be out all the time....
Why don't you turn him out 24/7?Dot1
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Well, obviously, you are wrong! My cribber colics with a collar on. I also lost my greatly beloved old horse to colic 4 years ago...
Which is why I keep my cribber where I do. A quiet yard where she can have 24/7 turnout. We have fenced the field with 6ft posts and electric fence specially for her, so that she cannot wreck them, with a post put in one corner of the field specifically for her to crib on. She lives on ab lib top quality hayalge, and even in mid winter little more than a scoop of mix, and some balancer. I do all of this because I know this is the best way to manage her cribbing and the best for her health. I believe that putting a collar on her would be the very opposite of that.
I know that. Many years ago when I first got my cribber it was a problem with her.
Touché...
But as you yourself have said above, the best thing for a cribber is to be out all the time....
The above is all fine and obviously works for your horse, but wouldn't for mine who's cribbing CAUSED the colic. I had another horse who cribbed but never ever coliced. So you are assuming that it is an option for us to take the collar off? We tried him being out 24/7 but he hated it (he is a weakling, he likes his stable and treat ball at night
). So it is not feasible for him to be out. Everytime (without exception) he has been able to crib he has coliced, what would you do? I agree with everything you say on a cribber who is not known to repeat colic otherwise it is (in my opinion) to greater risk.
Sorry very emotive subject for me!
teddyt
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Ive got 2 degrees in equine science. My housemate at university first time round did her dissertation on cribbing- that is 150+ references and 10,000 thoroughly researched words that i also happen to have a copy of. Oh, and one of my tutors actually did some of the research into crib biting, foals and weaning- amongst other things. So if my information is uneducated and misguided then ive wasted an awful lot of time!
I would train him to be out. Give him the treat ball in the field if need be! As well as adequate shelter, food and friends so that the outside environment matches the inside one but with the additional benefits of freedom, etc.
Echo Bravo
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I don't think that most of the posts were uneductated, as most of us have owned a horse now or in the past that gribbed, and all dealt with the problem in our own way and which suited the horse.
eoe
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All horses are different, different things work for different horses, collars work on some and not on others, muzzles work on some and not others, you need to find out what works for your horse, some horses will crib in the field even if they are in an electric fenced pen, i knew one that used to crib on its water trough. The use of collars can cause colic in the same way as not using a collar can cause colic. A muzzle means the horse can eat and drink but not crib, some will try to do it with the muzzle on and get stressed and get colic, i knew one girl who used to put cream on the stable door and anywhere the horse could crib and put chilli powder or actual chillis on it too stop her horse doing it, this worked and the horse didn't crib. There are plenty of products on the market that you can paint on areas that horses crib.
There are ways of managing diet to try to stop it as well, so my advice would be try all the suggestions and hopefully one will work for your horse.
There are ways of managing diet to try to stop it as well, so my advice would be try all the suggestions and hopefully one will work for your horse.
duggan
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This subject, more perhaps than any other, proves the point that we need to listen to our horses and do what is best for them rather than what we 'believe' is best.
They are individuals, with individual requirements and temperaments. Some horses may suffer without a collar, but be content with one on. Some may hate not being able to crib, but although we don't like it the horse is happiest so we leave them. I have one that wears a collar, several that don't. I believe they are happy, or as happy as I can make them anyway.
Yes, diet and management can ease or prevent. But not all horses that crib have been badly managed.
To say so is an admission that you are unable to see each horse as an individual. To say all horses are to be allowed to crib is also. To say all cribbers should wear collars, well that's the same thing. By all means share your stories, doll out your theories - and all the research so far has only resulted in theories as no definative reason has been found - and listen to your horse as an individual.
Comparing a collar to looking at a bar of chocolate but not being allowed to eat it is rather short sighted. Perhaps you have an allergy to cocoa. The taste is wonderful.... but it will make you very ill. Cribbing makes a horse feel satisfied perhaps. The gasses formed may cause fatal colic. I love the taste of chocolate, but more than a couple of chunks and I feel quite poorly. Its a new thing, as a child I could eat three Mars Bars without puking! So now I try not to buy any. I wear blinkers (or a collar!) when walking past the sweets aisle. Because if I buy a bar, I know I will eat it all. I love the taste. And horses crib because they like the sensation. Perhaps.
But an addiction can make things very hard. People know smoking is a high risk 'pleasure'. But they still smoke. I can only think this is due to addiction, and I can see how hard it is to stop, and how stressed *some* people can become. Others stop suddenly and never have another. People are individual, as are horses.
I don't like to see someone forced into using a collar, neither do I like to see horses refused one because of advice from another person. I do like to see a happy horse though, and one who's owner is doing the best thing for him. There are a lot of 'mays' and 'perhaps' and 'coulds' in this post. Maybe one day in the future a gene will be found that allows the horse to start cribbing. Or maybe not, who knows.
At the end of the day we shouldn't stop a horse doing anything because WE don't like it, the reason needs to be because it is either a health threat, or a danger to us or others. I don't like my horse pooing everytime a video camera is pointed his way. But I won't try a cork.
Enjoy your horses!
They are individuals, with individual requirements and temperaments. Some horses may suffer without a collar, but be content with one on. Some may hate not being able to crib, but although we don't like it the horse is happiest so we leave them. I have one that wears a collar, several that don't. I believe they are happy, or as happy as I can make them anyway.
Yes, diet and management can ease or prevent. But not all horses that crib have been badly managed.
To say so is an admission that you are unable to see each horse as an individual. To say all horses are to be allowed to crib is also. To say all cribbers should wear collars, well that's the same thing. By all means share your stories, doll out your theories - and all the research so far has only resulted in theories as no definative reason has been found - and listen to your horse as an individual.
Comparing a collar to looking at a bar of chocolate but not being allowed to eat it is rather short sighted. Perhaps you have an allergy to cocoa. The taste is wonderful.... but it will make you very ill. Cribbing makes a horse feel satisfied perhaps. The gasses formed may cause fatal colic. I love the taste of chocolate, but more than a couple of chunks and I feel quite poorly. Its a new thing, as a child I could eat three Mars Bars without puking! So now I try not to buy any. I wear blinkers (or a collar!) when walking past the sweets aisle. Because if I buy a bar, I know I will eat it all. I love the taste. And horses crib because they like the sensation. Perhaps.
But an addiction can make things very hard. People know smoking is a high risk 'pleasure'. But they still smoke. I can only think this is due to addiction, and I can see how hard it is to stop, and how stressed *some* people can become. Others stop suddenly and never have another. People are individual, as are horses.
I don't like to see someone forced into using a collar, neither do I like to see horses refused one because of advice from another person. I do like to see a happy horse though, and one who's owner is doing the best thing for him. There are a lot of 'mays' and 'perhaps' and 'coulds' in this post. Maybe one day in the future a gene will be found that allows the horse to start cribbing. Or maybe not, who knows.
At the end of the day we shouldn't stop a horse doing anything because WE don't like it, the reason needs to be because it is either a health threat, or a danger to us or others. I don't like my horse pooing everytime a video camera is pointed his way. But I won't try a cork.
Enjoy your horses!
skint1
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Our ex racer wind sucks no matter what we do with her. The only thing we have ever been able to do is reduce the frequency of the behaviour which we've managed to do with some success. She only does it in her stable and thankfully she is only stabled at night and will be out 24/7 shortly.
I would prefer that she didn't wear a collar at all, I personally don't think it is good to repress it, but ultimately I must defer to the rules of the yard and I can completely understand they don't want stables and fences damaged. Where my horse lives now the YO has made sure she can't chew posts in the field (except for one) which I appreciate.
The last yard she was at was a lot worse about it. They insisted that she wear the collar at all times and gave us a hard time even though we complied. I think I'd have been fine about it if they'd been matter of fact and I can understand no one wanting property damaged, but the YO made such a big deal and said their vet told them the young cob next door to our mare would copy her even if she did it out in the field. I was glad to get her out of there.
eta- my horse wears a miracle collar and doesn't seem distressed by wearing a collar at all btw
I would prefer that she didn't wear a collar at all, I personally don't think it is good to repress it, but ultimately I must defer to the rules of the yard and I can completely understand they don't want stables and fences damaged. Where my horse lives now the YO has made sure she can't chew posts in the field (except for one) which I appreciate.
The last yard she was at was a lot worse about it. They insisted that she wear the collar at all times and gave us a hard time even though we complied. I think I'd have been fine about it if they'd been matter of fact and I can understand no one wanting property damaged, but the YO made such a big deal and said their vet told them the young cob next door to our mare would copy her even if she did it out in the field. I was glad to get her out of there.
eta- my horse wears a miracle collar and doesn't seem distressed by wearing a collar at all btw