crikey moses holy moly!!!!

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Happens to dogs too. That's one heavy whippet.
 
Crikey! What distressing pictures :(

I take it that those suffering don't tend to live to a good age? :(
 
Ceris Comet said:
A typical American, obese !
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Typical Brit, arrogant!

Actually, muscling is part and parcel of QH's, but that is obscene and I can't get my head around why people find it attractive, but obviously some folk do as there is a lot of money in Halter bred horses.

I don't condone the extreme halter horse breeding, I too think they look like beef cattle on steroids, but, not all QHs/Paints are like that, condemning the breed as a whole is like saying, ummm, let me think of an example, oh yes "A typical American, obese!" narrow minded and untrue. There are different strains, and like thoroughbreds and arabians, amongst others, they come in different shapes and sizes.
 
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pixiebee said:
wow look at how straight those hocks are!!! so glad my half quarter horse filly is not out of impressive!!!
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Impressive actually had more thoroughbred in him (by the Tb Three Bars) than QH :) http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/impressive6

Your girl's sire has Three Bars too, way, way back in his pedigree ;)



HYPP : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperkalemic_periodic_paralysis

They are a parody of a good breed, just like modern leggy Friesians, dry faced arabians and a whole heap of others that are changing because of trends.
 
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Enfys said:
Typical Brit, arrogant!

Actually, muscling is part and parcel of QH's, but that is obscene and I can't get my head around why people find it attractive, but obviously some folk do as there is a lot of money in Halter bred horses.

I don't condone the extreme halter horse breeding, I too think they look like beef cattle on steroids, but, not all QHs/Paints are like that, condemning the breed as a whole is like saying, ummm, let me think of an example, oh yes "A typical American, obese!" narrow minded and untrue. There are different strains, and like thoroughbreds and arabians, amongst others, they come in different shapes and sizes.
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It is steroids - just like the pit bull scene in America. All muscle building steroid use. I am not well up on the USA laws on steroids in horses though - could anyone please enlighten me?
 
Enfys said:
Impressive actually had more thoroughbred in him (by the Tb Three Bars) than QH :) http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/impressive6

Your girl's sire has Three Bars too, way, way back in his pedigree ;)



HYPP : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperkalemic_periodic_paralysis

They are a parody of a good breed, just like modern leggy Friesians, dry faced arabians and a whole heap of others that are changing because of trends.
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im confused, how can impressive be a qh if he has mostly tb in him? i thaught qh bred qh??? not up with all this stuff!
 
pixiebee said:
im confused, how can impressive be a qh if he has mostly tb in him? i thaught qh bred qh??? not up with all this stuff!
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because the QH (like all american breeds) is a man made breed and are mostly made up of other breeds, there were no horses in America until the Spaniards landed.

I agree not all QHs are like the one in this picture, he is specifically bred for the halter classes I would think. HYPP could be stopped in it's tracks if people stopped breeding from Impressive lines, sadly the halter people seem to like the beef cow look:(

There are a number of videos on YouTube showing horses in the middle of HYPP attacks, it is not pretty.
 
Amaranta said:
because the QH (like all american breeds) is a man made breed and are mostly made up of other breeds, there were no horses in America until the Spaniards landed.

I agree not all QHs are like the one in this picture, he is specifically bred for the halter classes I would think. HYPP could be stopped in it's tracks if people stopped breeding from Impressive lines, sadly the halter people seem to like the beef cow look:(

There are a number of videos on YouTube showing horses in the middle of HYPP attacks, it is not pretty.
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so does that mean my 50% qh is a qh then. :-)
 
pixiebee said:
so does that mean my 50% qh is a qh then. :-)
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No she is a partbred QH. Initially all these seperate breeds were a 'type' and people bred to that 'type', for instance, the Morgan comes from Figure, a stallion of unknown breeding owned by a man called Justin Morgan, he threw true to his own type and so a breed was born. The TB is also a man made breed, only this time a British one.

I have so much useless crap in my head :o
 
Phoebe said:
I know it's just a snapshot and I know I am Miss Laminitis this week (obsessed) but it looks porky with a laminitics stance on that specific pic (covers backside)
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No, I think it's one of the 'double' muscled horses - if that makes sense. They are bred to look like that. HYPP.

Simply hideous.
 
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Moomin1 said:
It is steroids - just like the pit bull scene in America. All muscle building steroid use. I am not well up on the USA laws on steroids in horses though - could anyone please enlighten me?
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The over-the-top QHs and Wendy the whippet in my post, are probably not on steroids, the huge muscles are the result of a genetic mutation, same as Belgian Blue cattle.

Sad, but true.
 
so HYPP is a mutational gene? and although some people breed for this specific 'look' (if you can call it that!) its not 'meant' to be? such as these horses aren't worked/fed/steriods to get them this way?

I didnt even know about this until I read this thread and although disgusted by it all, strangely fascinated!
 
mturnbull said:
so HYPP is a mutational gene? and although some people breed for this specific 'look' (if you can call it that!) its not 'meant' to be? such as these horses aren't worked/fed/steriods to get them this way?

I didnt even know about this until I read this thread and although disgusted by it all, strangely fascinated!
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It's an autosomal dominant genetic defect... So they either have it or not and the foundation stallion Impressive who had so much influence in the breed did...

AQHA brought in a ruling to stop any breeding that involved HYPP H/H (both genes affected) although I *think* they still allow HYPP N/H... Just means the horse still has the condition but may or may not be symptomatic... HYPP N/N being clear of the condition... Both H types have the same condition the only difference is H/H will throw foals with HYPP 100% of the time and N/H, 50% of the time...

I was talking to a lady about halter AQH's recently... Steroids are banned, tested and penalised in use which probably means some numpty would use them at some point but these horses are deliberately bred for muscle mass and fed ludicrous diets and have exercise plans to build crazy amounts of muscle - the body builders of the horse world...:(

I don't know anyone who likes them... The performance halter class is preferred as the entrants need to have a toe in one of the recognised activity classes as well as show... So they can't really be 1500lb of over muscled horse standing on spindly, straight legs...

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PJ is an AQHA RWC and would be a great cross on your NH, HH, and NN mares.
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Not particularly responsible IMO...


:)
 
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I only know of it really as fuglyblog used to bring it up a fair bit, think it was one of old fugly's bugbears.

Anyone breeding from an HH mare is irresponsible imo as is suggesting it :rolleyes:.

I wonder if there are any rules on breeding N/H to N/H if there were then at least it would die out slowly, obviously if everyone started breeding only N/N to N/N there would be no problem at all :(
 
ester said:
I only know of it really as fuglyblog used to bring it up a fair bit, think it was one of old fugly's bugbears.

Anyone breeding from an HH mare is irresponsible imo as is suggesting it :rolleyes:.

I wonder if there are any rules on breeding N/H to N/H if there were then at least it would die out slowly, obviously if everyone started breeding only N/N to N/N there would be no problem at all :(
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The only way it would die out is if any of their N/H offspring were removed from a breeding program... The N/H x N/H combination will have a 50% risk of NYPP in any pregnancy - so if the next generation of breeding stock only utilised the N/N stock then it would be gone... As an autosomal dominant genetic defect it can't skip a generation and to think of N/H as 'carriers' or different to H/H isn't really correct... There *may*, of course, be spontanous mutations appearing - although I don't know how common an occurrence that could turn out to be...

Removing H/H but retaining N/H isn't ideal... Both the H/H or N/H has the condition and will be affected on an individual basis - the only difference is the 100% to 50% hereditary risk... I suppose the big question would be whether there'd be enough diversification of any available gene pool using N/N horses only to maintain the breed...:confused:
 
Ladydragon said:
The only way it would die out is if any of their N/H offspring were removed from a breeding program... Absolutely


I suppose the big question would be whether there'd be enough diversification of any available gene pool using N/N horses only to maintain the breed...:confused:
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Yes there would, even though there are thousands of horses with Impressive in their pedigree there are plenty of others without him.

Also Impressive bred horses must have a blood test for HYPP before registration, so N/N horses could be used for breeding.

The AQHA makes a lot of noise about stamping HYPP out, but money talks, and, as others have said, until N/H horses are banned from the registry then they will be bred.
 
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