Cross breeds
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Clodagh
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I think if a cockerpoo is what you want, as long as you would be equally happy with either a poodle or a pure bred cocker (as you could get either extreme). Find out if the parent was a show or working cocker, as they are very different. If they are want you want, get one, but be prepared to pay £1000. Good luck with health tests (although I have to keep a bit schtum here as my latest spaniel has no pedigree and no tests). Be careful that they really are being bred in a family type home and be happy with high grooming costs and get one. I admit I am not a fan but I don't like hypo or neurotic dogs generally, I am not a fan of terriers either for the same reason.
There is something for everyone out there.
There is something for everyone out there.
CorvusCorax
Deary me...
You like Google, use it.
I've never bred a litter, I'm not a breeder.
I do know some dachshund breeders and they breed healthy, long-lived stock, again, appreciate again that it may be a regional difference. In Germany there are plenty of working Dachshunds.
Clodagh
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CC - they are teckels though, are they not? I really like them.
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Clodagh
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Lévrier;13743407 said:
They really aren't though - at least I have never met a cavvie with the energy levels of a cockerpoo. I would probably rather a cavvie, but I don't see that you can suggest them as being comparable.
ycbm
Overwhelmed
But how do you even start. There are thousands of breeds. 'Pedigree dog like a cocker poo' ? All that would get anyone is cocker poo adverts.
If the very people who say others should not be buying these cross breeds can't name a suitable alternative, very similar, pedigree bred dog, then, really, what right have you to criticise people who are just buying an available and well marketed dog that they like and are prepared to pay for?
I'm still genuinely interested if anyone can name a pedigree breed that has all the characteristics, physical and behavioural, of a dog which is clearly a cocker poo. Because at the moment it's my belief that these dogs have been developed because the breed either doesn't exist or is difficult to source.
On looks, for example, I might suggest spinone for a labradoodle but they seem rare and I have no idea of their temperament.
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ycbm
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Lévrier;13743407 said:
Doesn't work for me, sorry. Size, (though some are big!) straight coat, wrong eyes, energy levels.
CorvusCorax
Deary me...
Do you want me to tell you how to use Google?
ester
Not slacking multitasking
What is wrong with either a poodle or a cocker? Plenty of energy, floppy ears, cute, soft coats 
It's hard to tell which sort of cockerpoo you are talking about as there are different cocker types, and different coat types resulting from the cross, some look like poodles, some look like scruffy terriers and some look like something inbetween and tend to matt to hell.
It's hard to tell which sort of cockerpoo you are talking about as there are different cocker types, and different coat types resulting from the cross, some look like poodles, some look like scruffy terriers and some look like something inbetween and tend to matt to hell.
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I have known hundreds of cavaliers - if you treat them as proper dogs, not fluffy teddy bears, they are incredibly active and outgoing little souls. Granted they don't have the manic energy of a cocker (thankfully I dont know anyone with a 'cockerpoo') but that is a benefit for me
ycbm
Overwhelmed
No. I want you to tell me why I should sift through thousands of descriptions of dog breeds and search high and low for an available puppy, rather than buy the delightful puppy down the road that is all I ever wanted in a dog.
I'm not in the market for a dog, but that's what buyers want and markets supply what buyers want.
DabDab
Thinks the luddites had a point...
Obviously not in the teddy bear looks department, but I would probably say Australian shepherd for your enhanced spec 
(nothing to do with the validity of cross breeds you understand, I just like suggesting dog breeds)
(nothing to do with the validity of cross breeds you understand, I just like suggesting dog breeds
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ycbm
Overwhelmed
Obviously not in the teddy bear looks department, but I would probably say Australian shepherd for your enhanced spec
(nothing to do with the validity of cross breeds you understand, I just like suggesting dog breeds
Oh you're close there, I love them, especially the merles. Lots around me here. Not one of them registered.
Now, name me a breed that doesn't bring dirt into the house when you live on a farm, and Bob's your uncle, I'm there with my credit card
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CorvusCorax
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Right, go down the road and drop a grand on a crossbreed then
I'll spend the rest of my day helping people with their impulse purchases
I'll spend the rest of my day helping people with their impulse purchases
DabDab
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Lévrier;13743427 said:I have known hundreds of cavaliers - if you treat them as proper dogs, not fluffy teddy bears, they are incredibly active and outgoing little souls. Granted they don't have the manic energy of a cocker (thankfully I dont know anyone with a 'cockerpoo') but that is a benefit for me
Yes I'm similar - I absolutely adore cockers but would struggle to have the insane frenetic energy in my life all the time
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There is no such dog as one that is "clearly a cocker poo" - they are cross breds, and as a result every one bred will inherit different aspects of the parents. Therefore it is impossible to know what you are talking about and recommend an equivalent.
It does sound like you don't seem to know much about pedigree dogs, so I'm guessing you wouldn't actually know whether they were equivalent or not?
ycbm
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Right, go down the road and drop a grand on a crossbreed then
I'll spend the rest of my day helping people with their impulse purchases
Personally, I'd poke hot needles in my eyes before you'd find me spending more than £50 on acquiring a house animal
Clodagh
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Yes I'm similar - I absolutely adore cockers but would struggle to have the insane frenetic energy in my life all the time
Same - much as a cocker would have been preferable size wise than a springer I just can't cope with the total madness. They always look to have been on the blue smarties.
MurphysMinder
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Is there a pedigree breed with the same looks, size, joie de vivre, activity level? I'm not up on all pedigree dog breeds but I don't know one. Surely these dogs were bred in the first place because the equivalent pedigree breed didn't exist or couldn't be bought? If there is an equivalent breed, how easy is it to actually find a reputable breeder and get hold of a puppy?[/QUO
But part of the problem with "cockerpoos" etc is that you can't guarantee what they will look like. I see quite a lot of cockerpoos at agility (often rehomes as they were too high energy for previous owners). Some run in small category and some in medium, some have curly coats, some have coarser wire coats etc. There is not one definite guaranteed type.
Is there a pedigree breed with the same looks, size, joie de vivre, activity level? I'm not up on all pedigree dog breeds but I don't know one. Surely these dogs were bred in the first place because the equivalent pedigree breed didn't exist or couldn't be bought? If there is an equivalent breed, how easy is it to actually find a reputable breeder and get hold of a puppy?[/QUO
But part of the problem with "cockerpoos" etc is that you can't guarantee what they will look like. I see quite a lot of cockerpoos at agility (often rehomes as they were too high energy for previous owners). Some run in small category and some in medium, some have curly coats, some have coarser wire coats etc. There is not one definite guaranteed type.
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ycbm
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Lévrier;13743435 said:
Yes, there is. And that is why I wrote it as I did.
In any litter there may be a variety which take more to one parent or the other. But there are many dogs where you take one look, ask the owner if it's a cocker poo, and not once have I yet been told that it's not a cocker poo. There is a unmistakable look about the 'right' 50/50 ones.
Like a poster above, I expect cocker poos to be bred to cocker poos in future and eventually become every bit as much a breed I their own right as any other breed, since all breeds started of the same way.
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My sister's cocker is hyper - it fits CC's description further up the thread, it yaps hysterically at every other dog it passes on a walk, it is completely neurotic, and can't socialise with other dogs because it is defensive aggressive....
Dopeydapple
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I would suggest a Wheaton terrier as a pedigree alternative to a cockerpoo but actually don't have an issue with creating new Cross breeds, after all today's pedigrees were created by mixing other breeds originally so I don't think it will be long before the cockerpoo has enough of a gene pool that it can start breeding true to type and become an official breed. The issue isn't 1 of whether it's right to breed mixed breeds it's whether breeders are breeding ethically and this applies to pedigree breeders too. Whilst I think it's crazy to pay £1000 for a mongrel a dog is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it but more education is needed for pet owners regards health tests etc. My in laws went 350 miles to get their cockerpoo and thought that as both parents were kc registered and they saw their full pedigrees that this was them doing due diligence and made the dog worth £900. However no health tests have been done and the bitch has had 2 litters a year for the past 3 years!
MurphysMinder
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Hopefully this will work, just a few of the different types of cockerpoo
http://www.cockapooclubgb.co.uk/adults.html
http://www.cockapooclubgb.co.uk/adults.html
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ester
Not slacking multitasking
but actually if you cross F1s you usually get more variation than you do breeding cockers and poodles, which is why most people stick to breeding the latter so it is hard for them to become a standardised breed if that is the effect.
Have you a pic of this perfect 50:50 dog? and from what cross, show/working/american cocker? as they are all used, mini or toy poodle for your size?
Have you a pic of this perfect 50:50 dog? and from what cross, show/working/american cocker? as they are all used, mini or toy poodle for your size?
Clodagh
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Lévrier;13743445 said:
Yes, that is how I perceive all show cockers, although they are pretty. TBH I only see working ones and they are social and hopefully mute, but still totally mad, I get tired watching them!
If I had to have one CP parent it would be a poodle, I like them, but the minis are too yappy and emotional, the standards seem nicer. So that would be too big, anyway...sigh!
DabDab
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These are more poodley
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Clodagh
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Every cockerpoo bar one I have met has looked like this...
Any variations have only been as much as you see in any breed.
The bar one still looked more like a CP than the two images you put up, Lev, so I think you are propaganderising the debate!
Any variations have only been as much as you see in any breed.
The bar one still looked more like a CP than the two images you put up, Lev, so I think you are propaganderising the debate!
ycbm
Overwhelmed
Lévrier;13743453 said:
Yep.... a clear type.....
Lev I have already said that there is variation in a litter. What is the point of this discussion if you pick on stuff that I actually said before you?
In my area, there are many dogs which are unmistakably cocker poo. They are delightful.